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    Hello my dearest and most favorite of types, SPs!

    Question for you: I have a friend of mine whom I was pretty sure was an ESTP except I've started to wonder that as since we've been spending a lot of time together recently I've realized that her brain goes in all kinds of goofy directions.

    For example, her and I were blocking the baby food aisle tonight at the grocery store we both work at and out of the blue in apropo of NOTHING we were talking about before she suddenly asks me if some parents realize that they have particularly ugly babies or not. When I asked her where in the hell that came from, she proceeded to tell me a story about how her older brother thought his daughter was an ugly kid (and how her ESFJ mother flipped her shit over that).

    I mean...I'm guessing she drew that connection from the fact that we were working on the baby food aisle but my question is: Do you guys ever find your mind wandering in the goofiest of directions?

    I ask because I'm wondering if I've totally got her wrong and mabye she's an ENTP, not an ESTP.
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    Sure, something reminds you of something...

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    Well, I only ask because I think I'm misunderstood Se and Ne.

    Se I always thought of as living in the moment, taking in the sensations of whats going on right then and there and painting a picture with it. Ne I thought of as seeing the hidden meanings and the patterns for things in front of you and putting them together into a picture.

    Now I'm thinking this a misunderstanding on my part and I'm just looking for clarification. In retrospect, this topic may have been more appropriately posted under the MBTI section but seeing as you SPs are the primary users of Se, I thought I'd post it here.
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    This is precisely why I always say there is a very thin line between S and N. Se and Ne are not too far apart, really. Same with Si and Ni.

    My mind jumps around, and I can be quite random and sporadic. To clearly define what makes Se different from Ne, is incredibly difficult. My Ni-dom boyfriend is always super stumped by my use of Se, too. The thing is, Se isn't bringing together several different thoughts, ideas to form some sort of picture to create something else. Rather, Se sees something, reacts towards it, or is sparked to recall something from the past that they've seen or heard or done, and can reincorporate that into the present moment as well. Sensory is often connected with past experiences, as well as present. I'd say, intuition is typically more oriented with present and future. (By future, I don't mean in a necessarily goal oriented type of way. That's a P/J thing for sure.)

    Did any of that make sense?
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    I do that allllll that time (enough to irritate other people, as I'm frequently told). ADD-like. I don't know if it's Se being weird or just Ne (everyone uses all functions, and preference does not necessarily lead to function strength).

    For me it's almost always sparked by something I see (so I would infer that Se is involved). Seeing a can of baby food and thinking about ugly babies isn't exactly a stretch. (non-Ne users are still human beings with creative thought capacity!) (although I wouldn't really call that particular example very creative or bizarre)
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    Hey all,

    Thank you for your answers. I hope I didn't at all imply the Se-users were somehow lacking creatively or at all thinking like that. I'm just trying to understand my friend and where she comes up with such seemingly goofy things to me.

    Another example: Her and I are dance partners she was teasing me about how during some of our practices I've accidentally hit her or stepped on her or dropped her or whatever. She teases me about because she knows it bothers me (She doesn't understand why it bothers me even though I've explained it to her before: It bothers me because even though I realize that these things are prone to happen as one is learning a new choreography or new pattern, I don't like the idea that I might actually hurt her ).

    In any event I made some joking remark about how people are going to think I beat her regularily at something. She laughed, then asked me "How funny would it be if you actually were beating me? A nice guy like you? That would be hilarious!".

    As she guffawed over that, I just sort of stood there looking at her with this bewildered look as if I was saying you actually think that would be funny?. I mean, I can understand the irony or how such a thing would fly in the face of what people know of me...buuuuuttt...I don't find some guy genuinely beating a woman to be funny in anyway

    At this point I'm just willing to chalk it up to a goofy sense of humor but I just wanted to see if other Se users had a similarly quirky sense of humor. I suppose it's important to me because I want to understand her as best I can.

    Thank you all again for your responses
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    This is precisely why I always say there is a very thin line between S and N. Se and Ne are not too far apart, really. Same with Si and Ni.

    My mind jumps around, and I can be quite random and sporadic. To clearly define what makes Se different from Ne, is incredibly difficult. My Ni-dom boyfriend is always super stumped by my use of Se, too. The thing is, Se isn't bringing together several different thoughts, ideas to form some sort of picture to create something else. Rather, Se sees something, reacts towards it, or is sparked to recall something from the past that they've seen or heard or done, and can reincorporate that into the present moment as well. Sensory is often connected with past experiences, as well as present. I'd say, intuition is typically more oriented with present and future. (By future, I don't mean in a necessarily goal oriented type of way. That's a P/J thing for sure.)

    Did any of that make sense?
    Se is different from Ne because it is actually here experiencing the moment on a sensory level, and seeks out new experiences simply for the sake of having the experiences. Ne on the other hand means the person is still very much inside their own head, they can be utterly out of touch with what's actually going on around them, and actually blend their imaginary world with "the moment" so that what they see isn't what is actually sensorily there, but an Ne analysis of it. Se types are much better at navigating things that require having sharp attention to what is going on around them than Ne types. Ne types are more likely to get confused because they aren't seeing "what's really there."

    For example, ADD in Se types more commonly manifests as physical hyperactivity, where as Ne types with ADD might have no problem sitting still, but their mind would jump from idea to idea, and they would want to multi-task mental work to the point of not focusing enough to get things done.

    Ne seeks experiences, but it's ideologically related.

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    It's probably best to just compare Se to Ne via Jung.

    http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Jung/types.htm

    "Just as extraverted sensation strives to reach the highest pitch of actuality, because only thus can the appearance of a complete life be created, so intuition tries to encompass the greatest possibilities, since only through the awareness of possibilities is intuition fully satisfied."

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    Ne is not about random connections. Random connections can even be a sign of inferior N.
    Se apprehends the literal object & its immediate, realistic possibilities. It also sees connections between these literal objects. These could be seemingly random. A blue car reminds them of the sky, which reminds them that they want to go skydiving. That is actually quite a Se line of thought.

    Ne apprehends the concept behind the object and what that concept implies for future, hypothetical possibilities (they don't need to be realistic ideas; if it can be imagined, then it's a possibility). It sees connections between the underlying concepts of objects, not their literal attributes. This is why Ne types appear absent-minded, because they are not focusing their minds on what exists around them literally at the moment, but on what exists in concept in the world in general. The mindset is still focused on external things, but it's abstract, intangible stuff.

    The examples of your friend don't seem out of line with Se thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    The examples of your friend don't seem out of line with Se thinking.
    I thought so as well. The examples he gave struck me as Se motivated humor.

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