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    Organized chaos. I like to know where everything is. I have projects spread out all over the place in different stages. My tool box at work is in order,but I have used car parts all over the place. I hate garbage though. No old food stuff or piles of news paper. I do have duffel bags full of wires and boxes of audio stuff. I love my junque.
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    I leave things laying around, like shoes, jackets and books, but I need clean surfaces to work on or I start to feel quite nervous and claustrophobic

    my car is somewhat messy, but that's because I work out of it, so I keep my spare paperwork, extra shoes and my coat in the back seat at all times
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Yeah, I can't have my living space that cluttered. It gives me anxiety (and I'm not typically very anxious.)
    I get anxiety like if things are "too neat." It's almost a sort of primal thing like: "No place to hide" or "Too exposed to predators!" I like a sort of "nest feeling" to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    See... now I'm wondering if it's a J trait. Are messy P's still orderly in the sense that everything has it's place? Or when P's are messy are things just randomly strewn about? Also I have the same questions with J's. Hm....
    Stuff is strewn about but it's far from random. There is a system. When something new comes into the apartment it goes into its place according to the system, or I leave it under my desk until I put it away at night. I used to have no method to the madness but that made me lose things constantly so I adapted . Now, it only looks messy to people unaware of the system, ie. other, non-me people. (My roommate is unfortunately one of these other people...)

    I like to call it working chaos. At least, it starts there, until I get too involved/ tunnel-visioned into some project(s), then it will disintegrate until I look around and wonder what happened.

    I agree with shortnsweet though -- there is seldom a true need to clean.

    Short answer to OP: Messiness can't determine S/N (I agree w/ the others here on that)
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    Quote Originally Posted by penny89 View Post
    There is a system.
    Okay, so it appears the general consensus is that every messy person has a system (both messy J's and messy P's), though it does not appear that way to anyone else. I can sympathize with this.

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    Plus I remember learning about how IPs are typically "closet Js" even if they are very "p". For me it's about my own little world of space and how I like having a cushion around me of empty air.

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    You'll find both Sensing and Intuitive folks with spaces that resemble the aftermath of a tornado. However, neither type is stereotypically known for being messy. The J and P functions are more commonly an indicator of tidiness. In my opinion, the sensing types have a slight edge over intuitive types considering their action oriented cognitive preference, but I believe our environment/upbringing also plays a significant role.

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    yeah, messiness is better J-P related.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned
    Plus I remember learning about how IPs are typically "closet Js" even if they are very "p".
    besides that. Ti especially. Ti looks like J sometimes, especially in INTPs.

    personally, i'm messy by nature (a la, throw the clothes on the floor while searching for what i want to wear) - but i'm also really organized with important things, and i prefer to have an open and "relaxed organized" space - like shirts stacked in a coherent pile, but they don't have to be perfectly aligned. a cardigan draped over the chair. a bin of scarves and gloves. i like to have neat areas but let things be a little messy within those areas. too much perfection stresses me out as much as too much messiness does.

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    I'd say it's a Si, Se, Ni, Ne, thing, versus just S/N or just P/J.

    I would think Si is almost always clean and non-messy.

    I've known Se users that could be quite cluttery people... but never disgusting messy. I can be very messy and cluttery or very anal and clean, depending on how I feel. But I'm never disgusting in my messes.

    I've known quite a few super messy Ne users. But I won't say all Ne people are like this.

    And Ni seems to be sort of a fifty/fifty thing, too, from what I can tell. One of the absolute messiest people I've ever met was an INFJ. She'd throw a party with her underwear lying on the kitchen floor that the dog tore up. Not to mention several piles of just junk, trash and clutter that's collected all through out the house. One of the cleanest people I know is an INTJ... my current roommate. He despises any and all messes. I feel bad, as he's constantly picking up after me. And I'm not even that messy.... I don't think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    I would think Si is almost always clean and non-messy.
    Actually, I would think that Si-doms would be more prone to hoarding if Te and Fe aren't developed or utilized properly to keep Si in check.

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