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    Default Wiki project - ISTP description

    To generate some starting info for the wiki project (http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...iscussion.html), I'm asking for your opinion, ISTPs: what should the ISTP description be? ISTPs only for now, please.

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    Can you help? It'll be super easy! I'm going to post several descriptions and all you have to do (for any number of descriptions, even just one) is:

    1. Bold things that are true for you
    2. strikethrough ([s] tags) things that are not true for you

    3. (optional) change to blue the things that you think are true "in general" for your type
    4. (optional) change to red the things that you think are false "in general" for your type or apply to all types equally
    5. (optional) change to green the things that are type-specific but not exclusive to one type (ex: SP traits)

    6. (optional) Feel free to add any general comments or things that the descriptions lack! Or post other istp descriptions you like.

    I'll mash everything together at some point and throw the general consensus in the wiki, which of course anyone can then edit. This will just give us something hopefully fairly "balanced" to start with.

    THANKS ALL!
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    1. (from http://www.personalitypage.com/ISTP.html)

    As an ISTP, your primary mode of living is focused internally, where you deal with things rationally and logically. Your secondary mode is external, where you take things in via your five senses in a literal, concrete fashion.

    ISTPs have a compelling drive to understand the way things work. They're good at logical analysis, and like to use it on practical concerns. They typically have strong powers of reasoning, although they're not interested in theories or concepts unless they can see a practical application. They like to take things apart and see the way they work.

    ISTPs have an adventuresome spirit. They are attracted to motorcycles, airplanes, sky diving, surfing, etc. They thrive on action, and are usually fearless. ISTPs are fiercely independent, needing to have the space to make their own decisions about their next step. They do not believe in or follow rules and regulations, as this would prohibit their ability to "do their own thing". Their sense of adventure and desire for constant action makes ISTPs prone to becoming bored rather quickly.

    ISTPs are loyal to their causes and beliefs, and are firm believers that people should be treated with equity and fairness. Although they do not respect the rules of the "System", they follow their own rules and guidelines for behavior faithfully. They will not take part in something which violates their personal laws. ISTPs are extremely loyal and faithful to their "brothers".

    ISTPs like and need to spend time alone, because this is when they can sort things out in their minds most clearly. They absorb large quantities of impersonal facts from the external world, and sort through those facts, making judgments, when they are alone.

    ISTPs are action-oriented people. They like to be up and about, doing things. They are not people to sit behind a desk all day and do long-range planning. Adaptable and spontaneous, they respond to what is immediately before them. They usually have strong technical skills, and can be effective technical leaders. They focus on details and practical things. They have an excellent sense of expediency and grasp of the details which enables them to make quick, effective decisions.

    ISTPs avoid making judgments based on personal values - they feel that judgments and decisions should be made impartially, based on the fact. They are not naturally tuned in to how they are affecting others. They do not pay attention to their own feelings, and even distrust them and try to ignore them, because they have difficulty distinguishing between emotional reactions and value judgments. This may be a problem area for many ISTPs.

    An ISTP who is over-stressed may exhibit rash emotional outbursts of anger, or on the other extreme may be overwhelmed by emotions and feelings which they feel compelled to share with people (often inappropriately). An ISTP who is down on themself will foray into the world of value judgments - a place which is not natural for the ISTP - and judge themself by their inability to perform some task. They will then approach the task in a grim emotional state, expecting the worst.

    ISTPs are excellent in a crisis situations. They're usually good athletes, and have very good hand-eye coordination. They are good at following through with a project, and tying up loose ends. They usually don't have much trouble with school, because they are introverts who can think logically. They are usually patient individuals, although they may be prone to occasional emotional outbursts due to their inattention to their own feelings.

    ISTPs have a lot of natural ability which makes them good at many different kinds of things. However, they are happiest when they are centered in action-oriented tasks which require detailed logical analysis and technical skill. They take pride in their ability to take the next correct step.

    ISTPs are optimistic, full of good cheer, loyal to their equals, uncomplicated in their desires, generous, trusting and receptive people who want no part in confining commitments.
    2. from http://typelogic.com/istp.html

    Like their fellow SPs, ISTPs are fundamentally Performers (note the capital 'P' :-)), but as Ts their areas of interest tend to be mechanical rather than artistic like those of ISFPs, and unlike most ESPs they do not present an impression of constant activity. On the contrary, they lie dormant, saving their energy until a project or an adventure worthy of their time comes along--and then they launch themselves at it. The apparently frenzied state that inevitably ensues is actually much more controlled than it appears--ISTPs always seem to know what they're doing when it comes to physical or mechanical obstacles--but the whole chain of events presents a confusing and paradoxical picture to an outsider.

    ISTPs are equally difficult to understand in their need for personal space, which in turn has an impact on their relationships with others. They need to be able to "spread out"--both physically and psychologically--which generally implies encroaching to some degree on others, especially if they decide that something of someone else's is going to become their next project. (They are generally quite comfortable, however, with being treated the same way they treat others--at least in this respect.) But because they need such a lot of flexibility to be as spontaneous as they feel they must be, they tend to become as inflexible as the most rigid J when someone seems to be threatening their lifestyle (although they usually respond with a classic SP rage which is yet another vivid contrast to their "dormant," impassive, detached mode). These territorial considerations are usually critical in relationships with ISTPs; communication also tends to be a key issue, since they generally express themselves non-verbally. When they do actually verbalize, ISTPs are masters of the one-liner, often showing flashes of humor in the most tense situations; this can result in their being seen as thick-skinned or tasteless.

    Like most SPs, ISTPs may have trouble with rote and abstract classroom learning, which tend not to be good measures of their actual intelligence. They tend, sometimes with good reason, to be highly skeptical of its practical value, and often gravitate towards classes in industrial arts; part-time vocational/ technical programs can be useful to even the college-bound ISTP. In terms of careers, mechanics and any of the skilled trades are traditional choices, and those ISTPs with strong numerical as well mechanical gifts tend to do extremely well in most areas of engineering. Working as paramedics or firefighters can fulfill the ISTP need to live on the edge; they are at their best in a crisis, where their natural disregard for rules and authority structures allows them to focus on and tackle the emergency at hand in the most effective way.

    ISTPs with more sedate careers usually take on high-risk avocations like racing, skydiving, and motorcycling. While aware of the dangers involved, they are so in touch with the physical world that they know they can get away with much smaller safety margins than other types.
    3. from http://www.davenevins.com/personalities/types/istp.htm

    ISTPs are generally extremely capable individuals who are good at most things which interest them. They are usually bright, interesting, and exciting individuals with a lot to offer. They live almost entirely in the present moment, and usually do not make commitments beyond the immediate foreseeable future. An ISTP probably coined the phrase "nothing is unconditional". They strongly prefer to take things one day at a time, rather than make long-term commitments. If a relationship interests them and satisfies their needs, the ISTP will do their part on a daily basis to keep the relationship strong and healthy. If they lose interest in a relationship, their natural tendency will be to move on.

    ISTP Strengths

    * Good listeners
    * Usually self-confident
    * Generally optimistic and fun to be with
    * Practical and realistic, they handle daily concerns
    * Are not threatened by conflict or criticism
    * Able to leave a relationship with relative ease once it is over
    * Able to administer punishment, although they're not interested in doing so
    * Likely to respect other's needs for space and privacy

    ISTP Weaknesses

    * Living entirely in the present, they have difficulty with long-term commitments
    * Not naturally good at expressing feelings and emotions
    * Not tuned in to what others are feeling, they may be insensitive at times
    * Tendency to be overly private and hold back part of themselves
    * Need a lot of personal space, which they don't like to have invaded
    * They thrive on action and excitement, and may stir things up to create it

    ISTPs in Love

    ISTPs can be very intense and exciting individuals. Their strong Thinking preference makes them seem rather aloof and "hard to get". Their Sensing and Perceiving preferences make them sensual, earthy individuals. These attributes frequently make them attractive to the opposite sex. ISTPs live entirely in the current moment, which makes them especially interested in new sensations and experiences. They strongly dislike routine and strict schedules, and resist being controlled by others. They are fiercely independent and need their own space within a relationship. When involved in relationships which provide for their basic needs and which present them with new experiences, the ISTP will be happy to do what's necessary to keep the relationship alive and well. If a relationship becomes boring or oppressive to the ISTP, they will try to fix it, or move on. ISTPs take their commitments on a day-by-day basis. Even if they say "I do", it usually means "I do for now". They do not like to make lifelong commitments, although they may very well be involved in lifelong relationships which they have taken one day at a time.

    Romantically, the ISTP approaches intimacy as a physical act rather than an expression of love and affection. They are earthy and sensual beings who enthusiastically experience romance with all five senses. They bring spontaneity, creativity, and enthusiasm into the relationship, and enjoy new experiences. Since aesthetic beauty has such strong appeal to them, they appreciate the "setting", i.e. bedding, lingerie, cologne, etc.

    ISTPs love to fix things, and may create problems in their personal relationships, just so that they can have the fun of fixing them.

    They have a tendency to hold back their own views on things. They like to listen to other people's views, but are generally non-commital about expressing their own opinions. ISTPs have a habit of evading answering questions by asking more questions. This can be frustrating at times to their mates, if they are after a direct answer. The ISTP's decision making process is entirely internal, so they don't feel much need to share their opinions with others. When they are interacting with others, they are in "information gathering" mode, so they tend to ask questions rather than share views. The ISTP just doesn't feel the need to expose themselves fully to others. When it comes to intimate relationships, the ISTP has the further motivation of protecting themselves. Most ISTPs are afraid of having to deal with their deeper feelings. Since their Thinking preference dominates their personality, their Feeling side is their least developed (inferior) function. Consequently, ISTPs are usually quite vulnerable and perhaps weak when dealing with their feelings. Their habit of keeping part of themselves hidden may also serve the purpose of keeping a protective wall around their hearts.

    Although the ISTP does not usually have a well-developed Feeling side, they frequently do have intense feelings for people. They can feel overpowering love for their mates, although they are likely not to express their emotions, or to express them inadequately or inappropriately if they do venture towards expression. However, unlike many of the other personality types, ISTPs feel strong affections one day at a time. One day, they may feel completely, intensely in love with their mate, and the next day they may be totally disinterested, or perhaps even ready to move on. This "live for the moment" type of approach is different from how most other types experience their feelings, and is difficult for many to understand. Consequently, the ISTP may be called "fickle" or "cold". In fact, they are not really fickle, and certainly not cold. They simply experience their lives on a moment by moment basis, and go along with it's natural flow. However, since most people need more commitment than can be offered when taking things day-by-day, the ISTP who wants to remain in a relationship will have to resolve themself towards being involved in a more traditional commitment. For most ISTPs, making a commitment to an intimate relationship will require an effort to stretch themselves outside of their comfort zones. However, those who do so will realize that they can enjoy the benefits of a strong, committed relationship and still live their lives in the present tense.
    4. from http://personalityinstitute.tripod.com/ISTPs.htm

    The "laid-back" Performer who coolly and detachedly surveys the world describes the ISTP until...their "button is pushed" and they, with all due speed and gusto, enter the "hands-on" experiencing realm of mechanical devices, race cars and other mechanical vehicles, crisis situations (emergency vehicles), industrial arts, situations requiring facility with numbers or technical data, or emergency situations that require working under pressure.


    ISTPs present a paradoxical picture. They appear to be lazy [there's no other word for it!] but they are really energy-conservers: constant activity does not appeal, per se. Nor are they anti-activity. They simply don't believe in getting involved in the "non-essential" or during the "non-essential stage". Of course, they are willing to define "when" that is for themselves or for others but not too willing to have that defined for them. [psst: they can "mind your business" but don't want you to mind theirs!]


    They really want to be "free spirits" to decide, to come-and-go as they please and/or set their own boundaries but, in fairness, will also give the same latitude to others. They just don't go for the "organized" thing. "Live and let live".


    ISTPs are not "talkers" so communication [of warmth, of joy, of grief, of pain] can become difficult in relationships. They can, however, "zap" you with a brief retort - which can either be so funny as to have you in stitches or silently massaging your ego from the painful barb lobbed your way. And they won't even know that they hurt you in the process for they are not always aware of tender or provocative moments. The "warm-fuzzy" is not their thing.


    They are not easy to hurt - but they CAN be hurt. And it is not always easy for them to handle it for the empathetic, supportive role is not natural to them, so they cannot easily support either themselves or others. They are known to select and present very meaningful, insightful and thoughtful gifts - but are embarrassed if a BIG public deal is made over it.


    It's not too easy to convince the ISTP of very much to which they do not naturally gravitate as they are highly skeptical persons, not putting too much faith in academia or science. They follow the non-traditional route - freethinkers and doers, shunning the educational route if possible.


    Though quiet and unpretentious in demeanor, ISTPs can live dangerously - driving motorcycles, operating heavy equipment, manning emergency vehicles, mountain climbing, using power tools and the like.


    They make good companions if it is not necessary to act coy or cute or exhibit social graces and submit to very many "have-to" events or traditions - since they are anti-authoritarian, even when they do not always realize that they are! Non-pressuring, they don't like to be pressured. And that's that.

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    5. from http://www.murraystate.edu/secsv/fye/istp.htm

    People with ISTP preferences use their thinking to look for the principles underlying the sensory information that comes into awareness. As a result, they are logical, analytical, and objectively critical. They are not likely to be convinced by anything but reasoning based on solid facts

    While they like to organize facts and data, they prefer not to organize situations or people unless they must for the sake of their work. They can be intensely but quietly curious. Socially they may be rather shy except with their best friends. They sometimes become so absorbed with one of their interests that they can ignore or lose track of external circumstances.

    ISTPs are somewhat quiet and reserved, although they can be quite talkative on a subject where they can apply their great storehouse of information. In everyday activities they are adaptable, except when one of their ruling principles is violated, at which point they stop adapting. They are god with their hands, and like sports and the outdoors, or anything that provides a wealthy of information for their senses.

    If ISTPs have developed their powers of observing the world around them, they will have a firm grasp on the realities of any situation, and show a great capacity for the important and unique facts of a situation. They are interested in how and why things work and are likely to be good at applied science, mechanics, or engineering. ISTPs who do not have technical or mechanical interests often use their talents to bring order out of unorganized facts. This ability can find expression in law, economics, marketing, sales, securities, or statistics.

    ISTPs may rely so much on the logical approach of thinking that they overlook what other people care about and what they themselves care about. They may decide that something is not important, just because it isn't logical to care about it. If ISTPs always let their thinking suppress their feeling values, their feeling may build up pressure and find expression in inappropriate ways. Although good at analyzing what is wrong, ISTPs sometimes find it hard to express appreciation. But if they try, they will find it helpful on the job as well as in personal relationships.

    ISTP people are in some danger of putting off decisions or of failing to follow through. One of their outstanding traits is economy of effort. This trait is an asset if they judge accurately how much effort is needed; then they do what the situation requires without fuss or lost motion. If they cannot judge accurately, or if they just don't bother, then nothing of importance gets done.

    ISTP

    Ready to Try Anything Once

    ISTPs may best be described as reserved, aloof, and interpersonally cautious, yet ready to try almost anything once. They focus inward (Introversion) and when that tendency is coupled with their objective decision-making preference (Thinking), it is natural that they should be more inclined to wait and see where conversations may go or what others might do before tipping their own hands. Their view of the world is very concrete (Sensing) and that in combination with the open-ended way in which they relate to the outside world (Perceiving), can result in their taking a more active, spontaneous role than their apparently detached nature would seem to warrant. They may, for example, be prone to unexpected bursts of humor, a take-charge attitude, or a sudden drive to fix whatever's broken. Such displays of involvement often confuse others, keeping them off guard--which is exactly the way the ISTP feels most comfortable.

    The motto, "Don't tread on me," could easily be of ISTP origin. It reflects that type in many ways. It could mean "Don't tread on me because I don't know how I'll react," or "Don't do it because I wouldn't think of doing it to you," or "Don't do it because it is a waste of time and energy."

    ISTPs are especially skilled with their hands and often get satisfaction from accomplishments that are both tactile and immediate. When something--as opposed to someone--needs attention, the ISTP's powers of observation (related to both their Sensing and Perceiving preferences) make it possible for them to plunge into the taks at hand without feeling it necessary to follow procedures or read directions. This is how the ISTP prefers to work, and when the result is success, the ISTP feels a wonderful sense of accomplishment. If, midway into a project, the need for directions becomes apparent, the ISTP will refer only to sections that are directly relevant, so that no time or energy is wasted--a matter of great consequence to ISTPs.

    The ISTPs' area of interest will take precedence over assigned tasks that are perceived as dull, boring, or not practical. They can become so engrossed with their own projects that other obligations, if not abandoned outright or forgotten, take second place. In situations that excite them, they work with great accuracy and precision, often to the amazement and envy of others. They thrive on and prefer "working on the edge," even putting themselves at risk, if that's what it takes to get the job done.

    There are dramatic gender differences between male and female ISTPs. So much of the ISTP's drive and gratification is related to activities traditionally associated with the male. Contact sports, heavy equipment, auto racing, carpentry, and other adrenaline-driving occupations are exciting and rewarding for the ISTP. Obviously, ISTP women who have the same tactile skills and satisfactions will be seen as tomboyish if they act on them.

    The ISTP female who seeks more traditional channels for her preferences, such as homemaking, business, and accounting, may adhere to a more conventional female model while satisfying her need for immediate, tangible rewards. Life presents many demands for hands-on professional skills, which are sexually neutral as far as society is concerned. The ISTP female has many opportunities to fulfill her aspirations in the workplace and feels no less than 100 percent female in doing so. Problems are far more likely to arise in the social sphere. Cool, aloof, and socially cautious behavior combined with an interest in manual skills and activities may make people ill at ease with the ISTP girl or woman. Moreover, if she excels in any such activities, she can be downright threatening to her friends, partners, or colleagues.

    Relating to ISTPs can be both fun and confusing--fun because of their spontaneous, easygoing view of life, confusing because of their mixed communication messages. Because ISTPs alternate between enthusiasm over things of immediate interest to them and quiet reserve about other things, one can never predict which reaction to expect from them.

    ISTPs can often be enigmas, especially to Extraverts and Judgers, who find their unpredictability and apparent social indifference so disturbing that they may try to change them. Not only will the ISTP resent such impositions, he or she may get an inner thrill or satisfaction in not behaving according to expectations, always remaining somewhat mysterious.

    ISTPs' nature is to be quietly observing, collecting data on all things at all times. They do not think of themselves as watching in order to do something with the information; they are merely scanning the universe because it is poart of the nature to want to take in all that is occurring. The often dramatic outcome, however, is that when an emergency occurs, they can move swiftly to the core of the problem and correct it. What seems like instinctive action is actually the result of long periods of observation that enabled the ISTP to be aware of all the details of the picture.

    ISTP parents do not believe in planning. They tend to wait and see what each day brings, and then do what is needed at the time. ISTPs, in their general living and certainly in parenting, know that the best-laid plans go awry. Given that, the plan is not to have a plan, just to be ready for anything, do what needs to be done, and expect that things will work out for the best as a result. Above all, they strive not to get excited, become emotional, or lose their cool, for good reason: It takes extra energy which, if expended, could make them less than ready for whatever will happen next.

    ISTP parents are true to type with their low need to impose themselves on their children. Individualism, space, different levels of interest and development for each person in the family--these are the ISTP's values and much effort goes into living up to them in both word and action. When a conflict erupts, however, ISTPs may react with loud, explosive demands, which give way to calmer presentation of several alternatives once the ISTP has cooled off.

    So strongly does this seemingly hands-off, laissez-faire style characterize the ISTP that the price can be isolation. ISTPs think each person should be afforded his or her own space (whatever it may be) and should enjoy or use that space according to individual tastes and desires. This emphasis on individual rights is much more important than neatness, orderliness, or routine--and that makes living with an ISTP quite challenging and varied, to say the least. But it does mean that those around the ISTP enjoy a high level of personal freedom. Whatever they need to establish their individuality and define their space, be it tons of papers from a project, piles of material from a hobby, an automobile engine or two, or tubes of paint and stacks of canvas--the ISTP is more than willing to allow them, in return for reciprocal treatment.

    When not involved in an enterprise or adventure of the kind that compels all their attention, ISTPs relax. They do not unwind by engaging in the kind of routine chores that other types may find both relaxing and worthwhile. As a result, life is one long relaxation to the ISTP, frequently interrupted by various exciting hands-on challenges to repair, understand, improve, or experience whatever comes along.

    Judging parents have great difficulty understanding ISTP children. Their yearning for new adventure and their fascination with the mechanical and sensual often seperate them from other members of the family. By other types' standards, the ISTP child always seems to be heading for trouble--taking things apart to understand and learn about them, plunging in and trying things without first getting approval. They are often drawn to motorcycles (both to ride and to repair), which can cause concern within the family.

    Learning is most enjoyable for the ISTP child when it is relevant and experiential. The ISTP believes that the only way to learn is by doing. The more abstract and removed from the immediate concerns of everyday life the learning becomes, the more restless and uninterested the ISTP student becomes. Hands-on projects, experiments, and other practically oriented experiences keep the ISTP involved and the course work palatable.

    Family events are a mixed bag for the ISTP. The ISTP child and adult both may eagerly anticipate a special family event--Christmas, birthday, a reunion--although the activity of preparing for the event (baking a special cake or making and wrapping gifts) often holds more interest than the social demands and pressures of the event itself. Other types may see that behavior as uncaring or unsupportive or actively antisocial. This simply isn't true; it's just that the ISTP has little need for the social activities. When the event is over, the ISTP may encourage a few close friends to linger, and it is there that he or she experiences the "real" party: a good time with a few carefully chosen people.

    Work that is routine (such as administration) or too open-ended (such as research) is of little interest to the ISTP. This kind of work is an energy drain. The new, the unexplored, and the unexpected, however, are energizing and really not considered by the ISTP to be "work" at all.
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    I'm going out soon but you'll get my answers maybe tomorrow!
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    I'll answer a few

    Before I do I'd like to say that it always seemed to me that whoever writes these (and expecially the Kierseys Meyers and Briggs of this world) seem not to have met or interviewed an actual person, but they seemed instead to invent a missing person in their menu of personality types. The characterization is so shallow, so cartoonish, that it very much offends me to read the whole thing. Nobody is this air-headed. It struck me that whoever writes these doesn't actually know any person of this type at all, and more to the point, doesn't want to try to know anyone of this type, and actually doesn't like anyone of this type in any way. That's my impression from the early readings.


    There, I said it and I'm glad.

    Here is a little contribution from me:
    ISTP Strengths

    * Good listeners
    * Usually self-confident

    * Generally optimistic and fun to be with
    * Practical and realistic, they handle daily concerns
    * Are not threatened by conflict or criticism
    * Able to leave a relationship with relative ease once it is over (maybe that's because I could never leave any relationship at all - maybe that's why I'm not very happily married)
    * Able to administer punishment, although they're not interested in doing so (I really don't enjoy S&M)
    * Likely to respect other's needs for space and privacy

    ISTP Weaknesses

    * Living entirely in the present, they have difficulty with long-term commitments
    * Not naturally good at expressing feelings and emotions
    * Not tuned in to what others are feeling, they may be insensitive at times
    * Tendency to be overly private and hold back part of themselves* Need a lot of personal space, which they don't like to have invaded
    * They thrive on action and excitement, and may stir things up to create it
    ISTPs in Love

    ISTPs can be very intense and exciting individuals. Their strong Thinking preference makes them seem rather aloof and "hard to get". Their Sensing and Perceiving preferences make them sensual, earthy individuals. These attributes frequently make them attractive to the opposite sex. ISTPs live entirely in the current moment, which makes them especially interested in new sensations and experiences. They strongly dislike routine and strict schedules, and resist being controlled by others. They are fiercely independent and need their own space within a relationship. When involved in relationships which provide for their basic needs and which present them with new experiences, the ISTP will be happy to do what's necessary to keep the relationship alive and well. If a relationship becomes boring or oppressive to the ISTP, they will try to fix it, or move on. (Who in the world doesn't do that???) ISTPs take their commitments on a day-by-day basis. Even if they say "I do", it usually means "I do for now". They do not like to make lifelong commitments, although they may very well be involved in lifelong relationships which they have taken one day at a time.
    I'll edit more if I can stand to read all this.

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    Oh I totally agree! That's the goal behind this thing, to hopefully end up with a "real" description once a bunch of us have weighed in on it.
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    The sections without color were left out because they're fluff.

    Like their fellow SPs, ISTPs are fundamentally Performers (note the capital 'P' :-)), but as Ts their areas of interest tend to be mechanical rather than artistic like those of ISFPs, and unlike most ESPs they do not present an impression of constant activity. On the contrary, they lie dormant, saving their energy until a project or an adventure worthy of their time comes along--and then they launch themselves at it. The apparently frenzied state that inevitably ensues is actually much more controlled than it appears--ISTPs always seem to know what they're doing when it comes to physical or mechanical obstacles--but the whole chain of events presents a confusing and paradoxical picture to an outsider.

    [Note: I marked that last sentence red because it is convoluted.]

    ISTPs are equally difficult to understand in their need for personal space, which in turn has an impact on their relationships with others. They need to be able to "spread out"--both physically and psychologically--which generally implies encroaching to some degree on others, especially if they decide that something of someone else's is going to become their next project. (They are generally quite comfortable, however, with being treated the same way they treat others--at least in this respect.) But because they need such a lot of flexibility to be as spontaneous as they feel they must be, they tend to become as inflexible as the most rigid J when someone seems to be threatening their lifestyle (although they usually respond with a classic SP rage which is yet another vivid contrast to their "dormant," impassive, detached mode). These territorial considerations are usually critical in relationships with ISTPs; communication also tends to be a key issue, since they generally express themselves non-verbally. When they do actually verbalize, ISTPs are masters of the one-liner, often showing flashes of humor in the most tense situations; this can result in their being seen as thick-skinned or tasteless.

    [Note: A lot of red here, mostly because it's convoluted, but also because of the "non-verbal" stuff. What, do ISTPs communicate in sign language? Do they mime? What the hell is that?]

    Like most SPs, ISTPs may have trouble with rote and abstract classroom learning, which tend not to be good measures of their actual intelligence. They tend, sometimes with good reason, to be highly skeptical of its practical value, and often gravitate towards classes in industrial arts; part-time vocational/ technical programs can be useful to even the college-bound ISTP. In terms of careers, mechanics and any of the skilled trades are traditional choices, and those ISTPs with strong numerical as well mechanical gifts tend to do extremely well in most areas of engineering. Working as paramedics or firefighters can fulfill the ISTP need to live on the edge; they are at their best in a crisis, where their natural disregard for rules and authority structures allows them to focus on and tackle the emergency at hand in the most effective way.

    [Note: This stuff sucks because while certain key words and phrases might seem right, it's too weighted down in bullshit to salvage.]

    ISTPs with more sedate careers usually take on high-risk avocations like racing, skydiving, and motorcycling. While aware of the dangers involved, they are so in touch with the physical world that they know they can get away with much smaller safety margins than other types.
    [Note: If it weren't for the dumb examples, this might be okay. But I marked it green because it applies to other SPs, too.]
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    That is a lot of information to disseminate. Overall "ISTP - Ready To Try Anything Once" is the best description. When I read that online I agreed with 98% of it.

    I sort of dislike the motorcycle, tool wielding, dare-devil stereotype all these profiles mention. (even though I somewhat fit into it ) I just don't think those things are necessary to describe our thinking process and personality and they certainly don't apply to a large number of ISTP's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    That is a lot of information to disseminate. Overall "ISTP - Ready To Try Anything Once" is the best description. When I read that online I agreed with 98% of it.

    I sort of dislike the motorcycle, tool wielding, dare-devil stereotype all these profiles mention. (even though I somewhat fit into it ) I just don't think those things are necessary to describe our thinking process and personality and they certainly don't apply to a large number of ISTP's.
    I relate 100% on this.

    Problem is that I don't pay so much accuracy to MBTI, Enneagram is a very much meaningfull system, and I relate very much more on my enneatype than on my MBTI type, and ISTPs can be 1w9, 3w4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9... Every enneatype except 1w2, 2 and 4 actually, so the ISTP type is very variegated in his manifestations and we can hardly find what unify all theses people. Other part of the problem is that I feel more ESFP at this moment. But the project is interesting, I will try to work on it this soon.
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    Ok, here are several examples of presumed ISTPs from different enneatypes and instinctual variant. I guess we can find some common constants.

    Katharine Hepburn ISTP 1w9 Sx/So:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_iooSis7bk
    Michael Jordan ISTP 3w4 Sp/Sx:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltArxrEnKbw
    Scarlett Johansson ISTP 3w4 Sp/Sx:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ti8wagh8HU
    Christina Aguilera ISTP 3w4 Sx/Sp:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrED9MB1zDY
    David Bowie ISTP 3w4 Sx/So:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVLLoVvHSOw
    Paris Hilton ISTP 3w4 Sx/So:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Yo1PxK3tU
    Patti Smith ISTP 5w4 Sx/So:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNg19CH9AwY
    Jodie Foster ISTP 5w6 Sx/Sp:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnA1N...feature=fvwrel
    Kristen Stewart ISTP 6w5 Sp/Sx:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fREjpeShur0
    Angus MacGyver ISTP 6w5 So/Sx:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM0fkZYPJ_s
    Mel Gibson ISTP 6w5 So/Sx:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YHccyFZKPU
    Eminem ISTP 6w5 So/Sx:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8rJ...1FC5B41632ADE1
    Spike ISTP 6w5 Sx/So:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB0ka7UnM4
    Woody Allen ISTP 6w7 Sp/So:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dEjc5B4kOo
    Henry Rollin ISTP 6w7 Sx/Sp:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf9eJ...eature=related
    Amy Winehouse ISTP 6w7 Sx/So:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6kWDfPzqO4
    Megan Fox ISTP 7w6 Sx/So:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDKxxNOtCM4
    Bruce Willis ISTP 7w8 Sp/Sx:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ej8k-kL1Wk
    Snoop Dogg ISTP 7w8 So/Sx:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrAVfjeBSS4
    Iggy Pop ISTP 7w8 Sx/So:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqxcgPPdYwo
    Frank Zappa ISTP 8w7 Sp/Sx:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc96Wiq9Odc&feature=fvsr
    Eric Cantona ISTP 8w7 Sx/Sp:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe-CbyOQ41U
    Clint Eastwood ISTP 8w9 Sp/Sx:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXDxd...eature=related

    Here is my own description of that type:

    ISTP
    Independent, reserved, logical and pragmatic. Driven to understand logicaly the working of the world and to be a jack of all trades, a virtuoso who tried everything once. Master any craft and understand evry idea that interest them. Bored by lack of action. Shy, reserved and quiet, reserve their energy for the most interesting and meaningful things, yet, very energetic, passionate, energised by action, self-confident and tempetious. Rational in his actions, precision and economy of movment. Usually simple and lighthearted. Can be very affectionate, friendly and likable when the situation is not too much restrictive or emotionally demanding. Love you with incredible intensity, passionate at heart, but choose the right moment to show it. Large potential of creativity and insight. Potentially loner, rageous, chaotic, hateful and antisocial. Live stricly on his own side. Quick adapter and planner, seek freedom from strict structures. Follow his own principles and somtimes, selected alliances. More at ease with a day-by-day approach to life, live and let live than with long-term project. Love action and like to live life as a party animal. Want to profit of sensuals pleasures of life (sex, drug, alcohol and rock and roll). Sometimes addictive. Non-nonsense approach in arguing, sometimes provocative, but not really speculative. Like a good fight for the sake of a good fight, but not really prone to value judgements. A performer side make them prone to like attention and to be considered as "the cool girl" or "the cool guy".
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