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    Quote Originally Posted by JustDave View Post
    I know what you mean, it's neither a peppy upbeat shuffle nor an angry march.
    Apparently my friends interpret it as a, "Go ahead: make my day" kind of walk.

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    Yeah, it's sort of a silent confidence.

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    I'm going to say this ISTP is probably the Logical subtype.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    My best friend is an 21 year old ISTP who is studying biological-chemistry. She grew up being very spoiled, very wild, disorganized (still, to a point), very sporty and "tomboish" even with her waist-length hair which she's never cared doing on her own. Her mother has always taken care of it. She once cut it up to her cheeks while living for a few years in East Africa b/c it was a hassle with the heat but it grew back to her waist in two years or so when she returned to Canada(she's kept it this long since). She dressed "tomboyishly" as a child/young teen but now is much more femininely dressed (though if she doesn't care to sometimes, she just won't). She always gets hit on but tells most guys off as they seem incredibly stupid to her as she hates being approached in that sense--(it's never worthy guys either. And I know---). It's embarassing to her, she doesn't know how to react nicely. Really, they're budding into her space. It's not an emotional thing at all. It's just her 'space' and not knowing this person who dares to bother her.

    She also doesn't openly display her high intelligence, outside of class/even then, or express her real feelings AT ALL (except to me). She has no problem reacting to people or telling them what she thinks (She'll tell you esp. if you don't like to hear it!! Are you kidding me? lol). She'll zoom in and tear a deemed person's flawed logic apart if she cares to. If she doesn't care to at the time, she doesn't bother. She's very carefree in that sense and in general. She can act/seem childlike and curious and she's so much fun to be around. And also seem like a guy in nature from what others say about her despite appearing seemingly feminine

    She seems more extroverted than she really is if she goes out once w/ ppl and parties w/ them (even while being more detatched/observatory and then joins in the fest unless she's already familiar with them). People think they're her friend but she thinks of them as acquaintances (or ppl who are useful). She may talk but she never displays her true opinions/esp.feelings about topics important to her. She'll tell you her opinion of YOU or someone or an event etc. She is FIERCE with her personal space and no one invades. She can tolerate other people. Or mock them. Or incite them into their stupidity...she's a real devil's advocate....she can even get me to be more devilish when I try to be more appropriate in situations/with people.

    She can seem like a bitch to others b/c she's VERY blunt and doesn't realise how she comes across as she reacts in the moment and mostly doesn't care. This is mostly towards people our age, not older, unless deserving of her bluntess which she will not spare them decency. (I find it funny that people often endear her for it or try to be friends once she's told them off!!!! ) She didn't care so much before but now she's more aware. She's blamed me for being her 'conscience' and cursed me for it lol but she's joking. She rejects other's opinions if it greatly varies from her own and it isn't objective to her (feelings? please, she doesn't even trust her own--). Conflict w/ others doesn't bother her. Sometimes, she can have the most explosive rage when someone's exasperated her beyond logical thinking (as in they weren't, she tried getting them to be) and enjoys the idea of 'revenge' even when not acted on (revenge can be destroying a person with words/values)....and it freaks people b/c she seems so 'impassive' or carefree or quiet. And she doesn't like to be approached during that time (time for 'space'). I know better to leave her, she'll seek me when ready. If people bother her then, she'll likely make them cry for it.

    She can be extremely stubborn. She'll always claim she's right, even when wrong...but she largely does that to others she doesn't care about. She can be reasoned with (she's very reasonable) but sometimes it's hard getting her to be considerate of others feelings or seeing the value in it if it doesn't directly effect her (not family/friends).

    I hope I gave an insightful account for you. I wonder your curiousity on female ISTPs, though ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by istpunk View Post
    I'm going to say this ISTP is probably the Logical subtype.
    Could you elaborate what you mean by subtype? I've never heard of such within MBTI before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    Could you elaborate what you mean by subtype? I've never heard of such within MBTI before.
    Yeah... please elaborate. I've seen the term thrown around here and there on various threads.

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    Hi, well this is my first post on here. I am a 25 year old ISTP female. I have recently discovered the whole MBTI thing and the ISTP describes me so accurately I really was quite shocked. I am very interested in the gender differences within the ISTP type.

    OK i will give you a brief description of myself:

    Physically i am tall and athletic and do a lot of sport. I can be as feminine and graceful the most feminine girl when the occasion demands it. Generally i choose to dress casually. i prefer clothes that are slightly big on me. I like jeans and a cool t shirt. I like my sports kit. I certainly prefer flat shoes (comfort is a big thing). Although i will wear heels for occasions that i decide require them. I do dress somewhat like a tomboy but i prefer to present myself as feminine but with a tough edge.
    I can do my makeup and hair in 5 minutes and be ready to go. I would hate to go out without my 5 minutes prep (eyeliner, mascara and powder) but i would not faff for ages demanding perfection in appearance.

    In school up to about age 16 i got top grades very easily. It was ridiculously easy for me to memorise huge amounts of data. (I can still recall in exact detail large amounts of data that i memorised for my GCSEs- 9 years ago)
    Then i took science for further education. Understanding became more prevalent. i could not see the point in it all, became very bored and disinterested. The more pressure the lecturers put on me, the less inclined i was to do what they wanted me to. Nearly quit. Decided to carry on. Barely attended any lectures(too much sport and other things to do)Scraped a degree purely on my ability to memorise facts.

    I don't think i have the mechanical side of the ISTP personality but i do love to pick things apart and analyse them. Although i mainly do this with other people. Pick apart their lives, their relationships. And i use the knowledge gained to write fiction which is something i have a lot of ability for. I wouldn't say my writing is imaginitive. i take real situations that i have observed and i turn them into fiction. My "try anything once" nature means i will often try things just so that i can write about them. I have self harmed(in a minor way) just for the experience. for the risks for the thrills. just so i can write about it.
    I also analyse and break down sports. I am highly analytical regarding performance. If myself or my team have not performed i pick apart the performance and look at where and how we can fix it.


    Sports wise i am a risk-taker, thrill seeker. I play rugby which is a tough sport and not typically feminine. I adore the big hits and the adrenaline and the excitement. I adore the mud and the hurts and the bruises. Running for runnings sake bores me, the gym bores me, and yet in a match i never feel tired. I could play forever.
    I naturally have good hand/eye co-ordination and good balance and a very good sense of awareness of the game and the players around me. I currently play for my club, county and region and want to play for my country. Although i never plan that far ahead. i just want to improve and play higher so i take each match as it comes.
    During a match i am constantly thinking about the teams next move and my next move almost like high speed chess. While a lot of rugby players brains literally dont engage during the 80 minutes on the pitch, mine is always working. At the same time i am utterly fearless. I will run into anything and anyone without thought for consequence.

    I absolutely love contact sport.
    I like the bruises. the pain. it makes me feel something. Feel so alive.
    I used to jump horses at a high level- a sport where fearlessness is a huge attribute.
    I like to ski. Fast. off piste. over jumps. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to read the snow.
    I also get injured rarely. i mean i have had broken bones and strains but as for the amount of what people deem risky activities that i do, i have a low injury rate. I like to think the risks i take are calculated and I have a good affinity with the physical world which helps minimise the risks.

    Basically i will do any sport i think i will get a rush out of and train and play tirelessly. The rest of the time i am often seen as lazy. i often prefer to drive rather than walk and take a lift rather than stairs. I am always late and i value economy of effort and much prefer the most direct route from A to B. I cannot abide going for a walk just for the sake of it. Yet at the same time i greatly appreciate the aesthetic beauty of the physical world.

    Temperament wise i am utterly calm and unemotional at all times. People cannot comprehend my complete emotional detachment. i am very good in a crisis and even on a night out drinking, if something goes wrong i will be the one who sobers up immediately and solves the problem.
    When i go out i am often seen as extroverted in personality. I am outgoing, witty and a lot of fun. (So much so that a 'friend' told me i had my Myers briggs wrong and i was definitely an E)
    Sometimes i am bubbly and childlike and love games. Sometimes i am sarcastic and dry in my humour. I often see interaction with other people as a game. i like to entertain myself by playing games with others.
    When i am not in a social setting i need my alone time. My absolute alone time to think. I can spend days alone when i will read or write or just think. (although i realise a lot of the ISTP profiles state that reading is not a typical ISTP pastime- i see it as part of my introverted personality and part of my analysis of the world. ) I read crime and gritty thrillers- anything with some substance. Nothing depresses me more than a girly chick book.

    I am often quiet and observe others particularly in a work environment. i see a lot and take it all in and remember it and i think others often think i am oblivious.

    Routine work bores me utterly and i have struggled a lot with a lot of different jobs. I am soon starting in the police force which i hope will satisfy my need for action.

    I am terribly messy and my bedroom is a tip- although i do know where everything is. i do make an effort to keep shared areas tidy. i have no wish to annoy my housemates. I can cope easily with other people's mess. i have no issues with people leaving their stuff everywhere.

    I have a lot of friends although i do not think of them as friends as such. more like people i do things with. They dont know me really at all. They know the public me. I am a great listener and i will listen to friends for hours to gain information. I get on well with pretty much everyone i meet and i completely believe in equality and fairness for everyone. If someone pisses me off enough though i will cut them entirely from my life.
    I sometimes get very angry about something- particularly if i am stressed, normally from being around too many stupid people. My anger passes as quickly as it has come. i sometimes say things in temper that people misinterpret or take too seriously. i am often unaware of the scars that my white hot rage has left behind.
    I have a couple of close friends who i share personal things with to a degree. but i never really discuss feelings. I never really have feelings to the extent that i feel they require discussion. I tend to find logic can overcome emotion in most situations.

    Romantically i think i am basically bisexual. i have never had a problem attracting men or women. I have played a lot of games with both in the past. I like to be in charge. I like to try new things. If i fancy someone, i pursue them. i always get who i want. i have no regard for marriage/rules and regulations. I like to take risks and the more unobtainable someone supposedly is the more i want them. i like to challenge myself.
    However once i get what i want i get bored quickly and move on.

    I think i am basically bisexual and yet logic dictates to me that i date women. I get on better with women and find them more attractive. So i guess i currently identify as lesbian. But i would never say never. I take everything moment by moment so cannot possibly say for sure i wont change my mind in the future.
    I have had one long term relationship with a female ENFJ. I liked her because she was sporty and fun and attractive. She was besotted with me but she let me have my independence. Things were good for a long time. i loved her in my own way. i still love her. She found my emotional indifference very hard to deal with. I found her too smothering and too demanding in the end. She wanted more from me than i was able to give. More time more energy more commitment. She wanted marriage and children which was when i finally ended things after 4 years. I knew they were promises that if i made i would be unable to keep, so i moved out.
    This was a week ago. I cried about it once. by myself. I rarely cry and certainly never in front of anyone. That would be letting people see a part of me i never want to share.
    I moved on quickly. i feel positive about the new start and positively liberated. i feel like i havent been myself for a long time in this relationship. i feel my independence and my personal space have been quashed and invaded.
    I have utterly adored my alone time over the past week. My friends cannot comprehend my lack of emotion and apparent coldness over it all. The relationship is over- this is a fact and it would do little good moping around about it.
    I now have so much more time and freedom to explore.
    I realise i will struggle to hold down a long term relationship in the future as most want more than i am prepared to give.
    But i am only just realising again how happy i am alone and how hugely i value my independence.


    Anyway. I have just realised how long my message is! To be honest i quite enjoyed analysing and picking apart my own personality to see how it works. i hope it helps characterise to some degree another female ISTP and emphasises that you do not have to be butch, quiet and a computer geek- it is possible to be feminine, outgoing and fun and still definitley identify as ISTP.

    hope this helps,

    Lauranna x
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    What a great, detailed description! I hope you stick around

    I can identify with a lot of that...scary. this for instance:

    Quote Originally Posted by lauranna View Post
    I can do my makeup and hair in 5 minutes and be ready to go. I would hate to go out without my 5 minutes prep (eyeliner, mascara and powder) but i would not faff for ages demanding perfection in appearance.
    I always thought I was weird for that! I don't even like leaving the house without my 5 minutes prep (hair/mascara/concealer), even though I almost never spend more time than that.

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    haha thanks guys. I couldn't quite believe i wrote so much. but then i am at work in an utterly depressing office currently so easily distracted!
    I have been quite amazed by how much i identify with other ISTP girls posts on here. I spent a lot of life thinking i was the only one!

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    you're not the only one. there are quite a few of us here, i think.

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    I've been reading quite a few posts on this thread where ISTps are describing themselves or other types are describing their suspected ISTp friends, and their posts have inspired to me to write my own self-description for comparison.

    First off, I should mention that I'm not certain I am ISTp. That's actually why I'm here, to see if other ISTp females would consider me to share their personality type. I have an acquaintance who swears I'm an ESTj, and the only reason I bothered looking into my own personality type was to prove him wrong. I took a bunch of tests and read through various personality types (including ESTj) before deciding the ISTp descriptions fit best. I don't put much weight on personality types as far as being able to predict how a relationship will run, but I do find it fascinating to look into my own personality. Taking various personality tests has been a hobby of mine for years, I just never really looked into socionics or meyers-brigg very deeply until now.

    Where to start.....

    I happen to abhor watching most sports. I will play on occasion, but I'm not terribly good at many of them and don't play any on a regular basis. As far as ISTps being tomboyish, my mother has always considered me to be "prissy". I've always hated being sticky; I can't stand the stickiness that results from playing with sugary substances.

    As a child, I wore many ridiculously unattractive outfits, my favorite being these black and white polka-dotted shorts and a green striped T-shirt (I always had favorites that I wore as often as possible). Now I am very conscientious about the way a look and am always trying to dress in ways flattering to my body type. I always wear makeup (although I do wear quite a bit, I strive to make it look as natural as possible), although I'm not as picky about my hair. When my hair is long, I tend to just brush it and go, but when I cut it short (like it is now) I usually take the time to style it. I am really into ascetics, especially color. I love warm colors. I wear reds, oranges, browns and especially yellows almost exclusively. I hate navy blue, and am not terribly fond of other cool colors. I've found that I tend to surround myself in colors and styles that I find pleasing, decorating my room with a blend of Victorian and African/Jungle theme. I like my living space to be clean and orderly, but I often allow it to get really messy and then go on a cleaning frenzy after which it will stay nice for a while.

    I love animals. I have a pet rat and an orange cat both of whom I adore. I am fascinated by giraffes and throughout my childhood dreamed of one day being a zoologist and traveling to Africa to study giraffes and other African Savannah animals, or living in the Amazon surrounded by Golden Lion Tamrins.

    I tend to be very logical and get annoyed when people try to use emotional arguments. Depending on my mood, I either remain silent when people throw illogical arguments my way, or I'll tell them just how ridiculous they're being and give them a logical argument they should have used instead. I have had a number of guys tell me that I'm not a normal girl because I'm "logical and deep" compared to most. I was raised in a religious setting, but now (along with my father and siblings) have a much more atheist point of view. I just can't seem to hold onto my childhood belief in god partly because I do see it as illogical and a block to actually looking at a phenomena and finding a scientific explanation.

    Apparently many people find me to be hilariously funny, although many of my jokes are quite subtle. I enjoy making people laugh, although I'm not always trying when they find me the most funny. A lot of people seem to find the very way I go about doing things amusing.

    I tend to be quiet a lot of the time, either because I don't feel I have anything to add to the conversation, or I don't feel like wasting my breath on company too ridiculous to bother explaining things to. However, when topics I am passionate about come up and I either really enjoy the people I'm with or am really annoyed with their narrow-minded comments, I often monopolize the conversation, pouring out my knowledge of the subject.

    I hate being controlled. I become very defiant when ordered, especially by someone I see has having no authority over me, to do something. I like to be in charge of myself and even unwanted suggestions about how I should do something sometimes upset me. I usually allow others the same freedom to do what they want without my interference. I only give suggestions to others when they have included me in some way by asking my opinion or discussing a topic in depth.

    I enjoy spending time with my family and roommates or other close friends immensely and will talk with them for hours, but I also really enjoy my alone time when I get to sort out my thoughts. I love taking long drives or walks so that I can get away for a while and think.

    I'm an anthropology major (biology minor) currently working on my undergraduate degree (by the way, I'm 21 years old), but I plan on pursuing a doctorates. I'm usually an excellent student, but will admit that when a subject doesn't interest me, I rarely bother to study it. I want to either become a primatologist or paleoanthropoligst; either way I plan on studying human evolution, hopefully in Africa. I can be very adventurous and often feel restless when I've been sitting around a house for too long. I always want to get out and do something exciting. Traveling and exploring is what I'm most interested in doing, but I haven't had much of a chance to travel as of yet. I have explored the underground tunnels on my school campus and few cool old buildings (places we probably shouldn't be, which just makes it all the more exciting) we've found around town with one of my more adventurous roommates, and this is one of my favorite activities.

    I very rarely express my feelings. Doing so makes me uncomfortable and I don't quite know how to respond when people throw emotion at me. I will try to explain how I feel and why I think I feel that way to the people close to me when they display a curiosity of my emotional world, and I can be a great listener as well for those people I am close to. I have no trouble maintaining friendships when I want to, but also can easily move on and forget people who are no longer a large part of my life. As far as romantic relationships go, I'm not very good at keeping them up. I've never had someone I would actually call my boyfriend, although I have come close to having a real relationship with quite a few different guys (some of them did consider me their girlfriend). I tend to shy away from guys who openly display romantic interest from the beginning, and only ever come close to boyfriend/girlfriend status with men who take it slow as far as expressing feelings go. Some days I will be really interested in a specific guy and ready to start a relationship, but then the very next day I'm no longer interested and want to end whatever I may have started. That's probably my biggest problem with actually committing myself to a romantic relationship.

    Well, this description has turned out to be much longer and more detailed than I had expected, lol.
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