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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    So, I guess, the question is meant to speak to people for whom Si is important, but it happens to include some points that can be a bit familiar for Se people.

    One might well conclude that while these tests do give results indicating some amount of usage of all functions, many of those results are might be false positives.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    Are you INTP?

    What question/statement had the word leverage? It is what you gain, when you have a lever(sp?) to help you do work. It usually has a fulcrum for the pivot point. BOYCOTT ALL TESTS, except for the comical satire ones, those are always allowed.

    edit: maybe always has a fulcrum, dont want to try and figure out if its possible to not, but right now I say "always have a fulcrum until proven otherwise"....same as "maybe"
    "Apply leverage to a situation to solve a problem impersonally using minimal effort." This question from the test. I should have been more clear in my post what I was talking about. I'm confident that I'm ISTP. I know what leverage is. I don't like the way the question is stated. It's muddled.

    I don't think we use one function alone. They are used in conjunction. So defining overall personality by these function specific questions makes me go:

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    I agree. When I do identify with a question it is "At work I'm like that but not anywhere else" so what do I do with that? I don't like the questions very much. I found them situational specific but not general enough to define my behavior overall. They are vague. But here are my results.

    extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************************ (36.7)
    excellent use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ********************************* (33.3)
    good use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************** (32.6)
    good use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ****************** (18.1)
    limited use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ***************************** (29.9)
    average use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) *********************************** (35)
    good use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) **************** (16.5)
    limited use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************* (37.3)
    excellent use

    I came out as ISFP.
    MDP, ISFP??

    i agree completely. i felt the same with a lot of the questions as well. at work i'm a different person than with friends and versus both of those i'm different at home. i felt a though the questions should have given specific scenario's.
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    What an awkwardly phrased test.

    "Indicate how often you do skillfully what the phrase describes."

    "This is a serious questionnaire to help you discover what cognitive processes you use well, as opposed to surface behavior or what you value. Some cognitive processes may be outside your awareness or experience, so just understanding the various phrases is part the assessment."

    I can say with some level of objectivity that whoever wrote the test isn't a very good writer. So decoding this jumbled mess might prove difficult for anyone, regardless of what the bolded statement suggests.

    I'll edit this post in a minute if I do the whole thing.




    Ok, and the edit:


    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) (45.8)
    excellent use

    introverted Sensing (Si) (35.4)
    good use

    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) (18.9)
    limited use

    introverted Intuiting (Ni) (16.8)
    limited use

    extraverted Thinking (Te) (33.1)
    good use

    introverted Thinking (Ti) (39.4)
    excellent use

    extraverted Feeling (Fe) (21.1)
    limited use

    introverted Feeling (Fi) (30.3)
    good use

    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ISTP

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Introverted Thinking (Ti): Gaining leverage (influence) using a framework. Detaching to study a situation from different angles and fit it to a theory, framework or principle. Checking for accuracy. Using leverage to solve the problem.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Extraverted Sensing (Se): Immersing in the present context. Responding naturally to everything tangible you detect through your senses. Checking with what your gut instincts say. Testing limits and take risks for big rewards.

    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ESTP, or ISFP

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    This snippet is from the test's FAQ (emphasis added).

    -- Based on feedback and data to-date, Sensing-
    preferences folks do not have a harder time with
    this survey, as some have wondered. Rather, the
    individuals who have the most difficulty with the
    survey's questions report preference for introverted
    Thinking (INTP, ENTP, ISTP, ESTP).
    This may be
    because the phrase definitions are not set, and
    because introverted Thinking is the cognitive process
    most used when critiquing.
    Because the people who are best at critiquing have the greatest issues with the test it could be a sign your test is...rubbish.

    It wasn't really that bad, but it wasn't that great either. The results came out decently and that's what counts the most, but it was rough.
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    My ISTP husband did this test and he complained about the grammar and lack of context. That alone told me he's an ISTP.

    Here are his results.

    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************************************* (43.4)
    excellent use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ********************************* (33.4)
    good use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************* (25.1)
    average use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************* (21.8)
    limited use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************* (21.2)
    limited use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************** (26.3)
    average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) **************************** (29)
    average use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) **************************************** (40.2)
    excellent use


    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ISFP

    On some other test he borderlines T/F function so this ISFP results doesn't surprise me. However, he is ISTP based on his intereptation of the description of an ISTP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Lenore in Personality Type sez Se isn't as wild and crazy as seemingly we here all suppose. The people in which Se is prominent may be wild and crazy, but the function itself isn't random. It seems that when one goes off on an extroverted sensing jaunt, one still prefers to start somewhere known. Every sensation isn't interesting, it seems. Sensation that expands on or develops from familiar starting points is. The attention of the function is certainly not on the familiar, but the familiar has some role, apparently.

    So, I guess, the question is meant to speak to people for whom Si is important, but it happens to include some points that can be a bit familiar for Se people.

    One might well conclude that while these tests do give results indicating some amount of usage of all functions, many of those results are false positives.
    I am lost when you define sensation as being "internal" and "external" what is an external sensation, arent all sensations internal to self whether they come from real time or memory?

    I do things for fun, for show, to impress, to play, etc. and they generally dont cause sensation as the things that would cause sensation with me are generally known as you say with Se which means that sensation is not that important whether it be real time or from memory. I dont know, Se is hard to explain for me in terms of sensation. Introverted Sensing seems to be sensation, but not extroverted sensing. I dont know...sensation seems to imply "internal" without a modifier added to it.

    Its like the statement above
    One might well conclude that while these tests do give results indicating some amount of usage of all functions, many of those results are might be false positives.
    Before "are" was crossed out it still had "many" to add possibility of either/or and adding maybe just makes it even more either/or.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    I am lost when you define sensation as being "internal" and "external" what is an external sensation, arent all sensations internal to self whether they come from real time or memory?
    A fair point.

    But... you don't believe attention has a preferred focus? That if an Si person is actively looking outside themselves for new information, it's generally not novel physical information they're looking for, and if an Se person is looking inside themselves, they're generally not looking just for the sense memories, but for the meaning of those memories. All of that can be true even if each person gets exactly the same sense information over time. They just filter it differently.

    This does raise an interesting point I have wondered about though. I have seen a few times around this site, SPs speak of enjoying their memories. It sounds like Si. But is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    "Apply leverage to a situation to solve a problem impersonally using minimal effort." This question from the test. I should have been more clear in my post what I was talking about. I'm confident that I'm ISTP. I know what leverage is. I don't like the way the question is stated. It's muddled.

    I don't think we use one function alone. They are used in conjunction. So defining overall personality by these function specific questions makes me go:

    I have similar results you have, high SE, TI, and FI. Sometimes I also get ISFP because of high Fi. The questions are pretty straight forward, they maybe a little too "N" big picture wording for our liking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    A fair point.

    But... you don't believe attention has a preferred focus? That if an Si person is actively looking outside themselves for new information, it's generally not novel physical information they're looking for, and if an Se person is looking inside themselves, they're generally not looking just for the sense memories, but for the meaning of those memories. All of that can be true even if each person gets exactly the same sense information over time. They just filter it differently.

    This does raise an interesting point I have wondered about though. I have seen a few times around this site, SPs speak of enjoying their memories. It sounds like Si. But is it?
    I dont know, I normally dont go into my memories to enjoy them, but to understand. Not exactly the "meaning" of the memory, to me thats more like reading into something, other then just looking at your memories and understanding. To me thats a difference between Fi and Ti in regards to memories. I have never had a desire to live in memories. I would prefer to sit bored trying to find something to do. This can be read into as much as anyone likes, I didnt have a bad life at all. I dont have any horrible memories that I want to forget.

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