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    I like criticism when it comes with practical suggestions for improvement. For example: The perspective in your drawing is off. You can fix that problem by extending the lines out to the vanishing point out there...
    If the criticism is constructive and comes with practical suggestions for improvement, I appreciate it very much, as it gives me an opportunity to learn and to grow as an artist and as a person.
    If the criticism is just negative, it annoys me and, first, I get offended but then, I try to consider the source and disregard the comment!!! Usually, a really negative piece of criticism reflects more on the person doing the criticizing than on the person being criticized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    as much as i agree with this, my Fi isn't hurt because i feel as though i have the only valid opinion... but rather because it takes a lot for me to share in the first place, and the process of sharing leaves my Fi feeling vulnerable and insecure. i have no problem with "constructive criticism". but some people are blantly rude about another's views and opinions. it's as though, someone just thinks i'm ridiculous for thinking ___.

    for example, i'm a vegetarian... and my ex roommate used to always give me a hard time about it. one time in particular we all got back from drinking at the bars and were eating pizza. i picked off the pepperoni's and gave them to someone else to munch on. i never verbally brought up my views, but it felt as though he began to attack me as a person. he kept bringing up all the reasons why i shouldn't be a vegetarian and said things along the lines of me not eating meat isn't going to make a difference and i'm just making myself suffer. because my Te is weak, especially when i'm not prepared, my Fi just felt hurt and he ultimately made me feel stupid. finally, another friend jumped in and told him that this wasn't polite conversation and that i was allowed to have my own views.
    Ah, when phrased this way I understand where you are coming from... I had a hard time looking at it that way because I do keep so many things to myself. So I didn't really see it that way at first. Sigh.... And I deal with rude people every holiday.... My aunt is one of those people that never things about what she's saying.... And never sees the err in her way after she's upset someone....

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    ISFPs are sensitive to tonality. Harsh tones can either tick them off or on the other hand place them into quiet resentment.

    "Softeners" are nice linguistic devices when harsh truths or unpleasant messages must be placed before the ISFP. Soft or gentle caressing tonality is effective (and nice and comfy) to use when applying softeners.
    The following is a demonstration of a softener.

    NLP language patterns a lot of times though, they just slip on by without any detection whatsoever. Kind of like the Shaolin Monk or Ninja of linguistics.

    This particular set of patterns fits more into that style - intervention by stealth.

    These ones are useful when it is appropriate to reduce the extent to which a statement can be challenged. We are bypassing defense strategies when we do these well - the person listening doesn't put their guard up to be ready to challenge. This can be very useful in many situations, particularly difficult ones.

    Anything can be a Softener and a way to become familiar with the concept is to consider the following as possible combinations.

    These are probably among the most effective patterns to learn. If you were to choose one or two for first practice I would include these.

    Possibly, maybe, could, among the many, you may consider, others have found .....


    Perhaps you could understand how it is that many people find learning to be stimulating and invigorating.

    Notice how the above statement is difficult to challenge and yet notice the direction the mind is sent in.

    Compare to "Learning is stimulating and invigorating." This is much more likely to be challenged.

    Among the various directions we could go in now, perhaps we could begin to consider a few, such as perhaps budget constraints along with other ideas that …….


    Note the direction of attention we have set up. We are more likely to get this on the agenda now rather than by just stating: "Let's look at the budget". This statement is far more open to challenge.

    Given there are many possible applications of NLP Language patterns you might consider this one as an option...
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    I used to have this issue a long time ago. I used to boil when people rejected my opinions, laughed at them, dismissed them or ignored them.

    then it all went away. Now it doesn't matter at all to me when people reject my ideas. I mean yes i would try to prove that I my opinions was correct. but it does not matter whether it gets approved or rejected. It has come to a stage for me that I wouldn't even care if I prove I am correct and it still gets rejected, I still wouldn't care. I would shrug it off with a laugh. (Somewhat of an annoyed laugh.) It is quite impossible not to get annoyed if something is proven and it still gets rejected. Sigh!

    I think the reason for this is quite sometime back I made a conscious effort and told myself that I wouldn't care that my opinions get rejected. It was a conscious effort. But then again I am quite witty too. So I could handle MOST SITUATIONS that others cannot.


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    Jesus I just realized how Peguy must be feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    ISFPs are sensitive to tonality. Harsh tones can either tick them off or on the other hand place them into quiet resentment.

    "Softeners" are nice linguistic devices when harsh truths or unpleasant messages must be placed before the ISFP. Soft or gentle caressing tonality is effective (and nice and comfy) to use when applying softeners.
    I dislike any tonality that falls out of my predefined acceptable tonality ranges for said encounter. Whiny tones are always a no go zone. Harsh tones are acceptable in certain environments. Tones that are too soft in medium to harsh tonal environments bug me too. It is all about the right tone for the right occasion.

    It is all case by case when it comes to tonality.

    Quote Originally Posted by liYA View Post
    ''I tend to not take criticism too well and for this reason: To me, my opinions define who I am as a person, when you reject my opinion, you reject me as a person. There is nothing worse then that for an XNFP.''

    do you feel this way?
    I don't feel my love of meat pies defines me. Maybe my love of pastry goods defines me more. Or moving higher my love of tasty food. Or even higher enjoying food in good company. Or even higher my love of enjoyment in life.

    I really don't mind if you have a fruit pie.

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    I don't know, criticise me and let's see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    I don't know, criticise me and let's see.
    I really wanted to be a smart ass and criticize you, but... I got nothing... I'm not good at this criticizing business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    I don't know, criticise me and let's see.
    Your avatar has no epic quality. The dude in the picture has the "Who farted ?!?" facial expression.

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