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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    It's funny though how people can never really tell who the ISTP is.
    I would like to say the same thing about ISFP, but I didn't create MBTI.. so I gotta accept that there's some truth to the descriptions. It also helps that both INFPs and ISFPs who more sure of their type basically reflect those descriptions.

    On a sidenote, I remember that one mma thread where I was trying argue that Gina Carano may have been ISFP.. and you were like, nah ISTP. I think we came to some compromise that she was ISXP.. But I'm starting think she is ISTP too (along with myself). She's lighthearted and all that, has spiritual beliefs, but at the same time, she loves the feeling of knocking people out. I'm not convinced anymore that I could get an ISFP to say something like that. Not casually at least, where they're laughing about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I would like to say the same thing about ISFP, but I didn't create MBTI.. so I gotta accept that there's some truth to the descriptions. It also helps that both INFPs and ISFPs who more sure of their type basically reflect those descriptions.

    On a sidenote, I remember that one mma thread where I was trying argue that Gina Carano may have been ISFP.. and you were like, nah ISTP. I think we came to some compromise that she was ISXP.. But I'm starting think she is ISTP too (along with myself). She's lighthearted and all that, has spiritual beliefs, but at the same time, she loves the feeling of knocking people out. I'm not convinced anymore that I could get an ISFP to say something like that. Not casually at least, where they're laughing about it.
    Gina Corano has gestures of someone who is more "T" when you look in the interview, but there are plenty of ISFP fighters in MMA as well it's just I don't get that "F" vibe of her when I'm watching her talk in interviews, she seems to feel socially awkward at times. I can relate because I hate when people talk about my personal life I just get on the defense most of the time. If you want to see what an ISFP fighter looks like, if i were to guess Anderson Silva and Vitor Belfort. Vitor Belfort is a pure ISFP to me, he's really passionate and motivated emotionally, which is something I admire from ISFP's. Don't be so gullible ISFP they can be tough dudes. Mike Tyson is another badass ISFP, watch his film documentary he's a sensitive but very fierce person. On another note I remember reading those "L" and "S" descriptions before when I was looking into socionics, is that where you got them from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I would like to say the same thing about ISFP, but I didn't create MBTI.. so I gotta accept that there's some truth to the descriptions. It also helps that both INFPs and ISFPs who more sure of their type basically reflect those descriptions.

    On a sidenote, I remember that one mma thread where I was trying argue that Gina Carano may have been ISFP.. and you were like, nah ISTP. I think we came to some compromise that she was ISXP.. But I'm starting think she is ISTP too (along with myself). She's lighthearted and all that, has spiritual beliefs, but at the same time, she loves the feeling of knocking people out. I'm not convinced anymore that I could get an ISFP to say something like that. Not casually at least, where they're laughing about it.
    Gina Corano has gestures of someone who is more "T" when you look in the interview, but there are plenty of ISFP fighters in MMA as well it's just I don't get that "F" vibe of her when I'm watching her talk in interviews, she seems to feel socially awkward at times. I can relate because I hate when people talk about my personal life I just get on the defense most of the time. If you want to see what an ISFP fighter looks like, if i were to guess Anderson Silva and Vitor Belfort. Vitor Belfort is a pure ISFP to me, he's really passionate and motivated emotionally, which is something I admire from ISFP's. Don't be so gullible ISFP they can be tough dudes. Mike Tyson is another badass ISFP, watch his film documentary he's a sensitive but very fierce person. On another note I remember reading those "L" and "S" descriptions before when I was looking into socionics, is that where you got them from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    It is still a cause, her cause. It doesn't have to mean anything to anyone but you. But it needs to mean a lot to you. That is the way I see it. It isn't hard to see violence and aggression as aspects that push people to type t over f. Why is Spike Siegel t over f? People just run down a flow chart of stereotypes till they box you in. Like an egg rolling down a series of conveyor belts.

    I think I am f over t because I do stand up for things. Things I believe in. And on the other hand I tend not to for things I don't feel anything for, no matter how logical it would seem to. Why would t be a more stubborn and pissy type of trait than f? That doesn't make any sense in the slightest.
    The way I see it, it just comes down to whether you are someone who is more analytical, and base your decisions on logic vs someone who is more sensitive who bases their decisions on how they are feeling at the moment. The problem with "f's is that they tend to be more subjective when considering things while "T's" tend to be more objective.

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    I believe ISFP can be tough, but not in the same ways. Less inclined to objectify people, for one.. Something like that would trickle down to a lot of subtle behavior. Even the humor is different.

    Gina's socially awkward, I agree. She's also one of the few celebrities that I can specifically find saying she likes to get downtime away from people, that it drains her, and that she doesn't live "outward". So definitely an introvert at least.

    I don't think Tyson is SFP.. a bipolar STP imho. I mean, he literally is bi-polar, grew up abused, was wrongfully imprisoned, has had a daughter die in a tragic accident, and believes in Islam, which might have helped him develop values he didn't originally have. I think plenty of STPs can be sensitive. Depends on their life circumstances. If he remained calm and stoic after all of the shit he's been through, there'd be something even worse wrong with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I believe ISFP can be tough, but not in the same ways. Less inclined to objectify people, for one.. Something like that would trickle down to a lot of subtle behavior. Even the humor is different.

    Gina's socially awkward, I agree. She's also one of the few celebrities that I can specifically find saying she likes to get downtime away from people, that it drains her, and that she doesn't live "outward". So definitely an introvert at least.

    I don't think Tyson is SFP.. a bipolar STP imho. I mean, he literally is bi-polar, grew up abused, was wrongfully imprisoned, has had a daughter die in a tragic accident, and believes in Islam, which might have helped him develop values he didn't originally have. I think plenty of STPs can be sensitive. Depends on their life circumstances. If he remained calm and stoic after all of the shit he's been through, there'd be something even worse wrong with him.
    Tyson is a good example of an ISFP who had a hard life. I wasn't sure of his personality type until i watched his documentary. He looks like an ugly, cold person but actually he's a sensitive guy who appreciates aesthetics and beauty to a great extent. He said he was picked on as a kid and bullied by people. He seems to be the type who either can be a very soft or very hard person. I think he's an "F' because of how sensitive he is towards criticism as well. he feels constantly misunderstood by people, and is constantly being screwed over by his management his wife, his family etc. You should check out his documentary it came out two years ago, he's a total ISFP IMO.

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    I'll look it up. I don't think growing up hard means anything though. I would point out Dwayne Wade as an ISFP (maybe INFP) athlete who had an equally hard life, but talks about it in a Fi way, where he didn't give in to any harsher lifestyle in the ghetto. It wasn't because he had better parents than Tyson either. Wade's mom was a crack addict. Tyson had a mom who actually worried about him. Yet, even without a good family, Wade seemed to know what was right for himself. While Tyson created more utilitarian rules for his survival. Consider this too... he got arrested 38 times before he was even 13. And not all of it was fighting. He was mostly a thief. I used to steal things myself, so I'm not going to be a hypocrite and judge him.. but that's just ridiculous. There's no Fi in that.

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    The thing is Tyson actually ends up getting teary eyed and begins crying during the documentary. I don't really see an ISTP getting as emotional as he is I mean I've seen ISFPS get really emotional from personal experience. I'm also not exactly sure what Fi has to do with being a moral person, considering morals are an abstract concept even for humans to understand my guess were that tyson's Fi was not even fully developed at 13.

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    Fi generally has much to do with some kind of moral system. Indirectly at least. Fi weighs positive and negative choices according to an inner standard or aesthetic. The same feeling that leads a stereotypical INFP poet to weigh their words, and a stereotypical ISFP artist to have a feel to blend the right notes or colors, are the same type of inner feelings at play in a social context too. It's as sophisticated as Ti principles, just on some other paradigm. Not just about emotions. And when I say moral, I mean that their feelings would more than likely remind them what kind of choice carries integrity for themselves and often, harmony with others. Many are type 9, so this is even more the case there. I don't think it's impossible for one to have some screwed up "value" that allows them to rob people and live out some lifestyle like Tyson had, but it's not conclusive enough for me just say "Oh yeah, that's so ISFP."

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    I honestly think Tyson is a good person deep down, and just because he's committed immoral behavior in the past doesn't indicate whether he is ISFP. The way i see it, he's really a sensitive misunderstood human being, and not the animal the media plays him out to be.

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