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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I generally don't conceptualize.. For you, it'd probably be different. I think I'm more creative in the process of things...getting the juices flowing in a way. When it works in tandem with Fi and Se. I don't look at blank canvases per se (literal ones or figurative)...I just get the urge to do something first, I guess?

    Outside creativity (like general social life), I've read that Fi in IFPs is always evaulating when/where/how what's seen in Extraverted Perception is compatible, and the Tert contributes to this defensive process (personally I can get like this.. I don't value Se in an extremely flowing/receptive way all the time). Si might cause an INFP to pull away a bit (I'd like to hear their own words though).. Ni in ISFPs would cause them to embody some of their critique (how.. I dunno. In style maybe.. Or breaking into animal labs and freeing monkeys or something The sky's the limit).
    Sure, if that's how it works for you. I'm not trying to prescride how it has to work for everyone, of course, but because that would be silly. Worse yet, it would be wrong.

    I suppose I do conceptulise a lot. Ni is my prime function, and it rather rules my life.

    I've mentioned it before: functions operate in different ways for different people. I think what I said probably is one way it can make itself known to an ISFP. When Ni misfires, it can cause them to start diregarding things as meaningless and arbitary. When that happens, it probably starts to get in the way of creativity, rather than promoting it. It all gets a bit angsty.

    The other way Ni works is as part of novel thought. As an INJ, I spend most of my life twisting and turning ideas around in my head. An ISFP wont take it to that extent, but flipping an idea around may provide them with some new inspiration. Like... a photographer might suddenyt decide that rather than developing the negatives, he's going to use the negatives themselves as his art.
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    Cool..I can draw some comparisons with those examples too. Even the meaningless and arbitrary part.. I've done that on a few things (and still do) and finalize some sort of closure on that kind of decision making. I might be right in a certain light, but I guess Se eventually gets me to laugh about something, and I say "Screw it" and adjust. It feels nice to be there at the time, but once I get moving again, it's nothing.. like a bump in the road. I just wish there was a bit more on this side of things that I could be productive with.. an ISFP's life is full of a lot of compromise and adapting compared to NTJ. Tbh, I wish there more of a middle area here.

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    I made a post about how I use Ni a while back. And I'm so lazy that instead of re-forming a similar response, I searched through the forum for my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by StephMC View Post
    While I can relate to most of those, I strongly relate to these:
    - "experience a premonition or foresee the unexpected " : These moments always happen unexpectedly, but they're not all that rare at the same time. Usually happens along with the one below... it just clicks into place.
    - "suddenly realize an 'ah ha!' answer out of nowhere "
    - "feel pulled to the symbolic, archetypal or mysterious " : I've always been drawn to unexpected things... dreams, symbols, archetypes, etc. Sometimes people feel it's contradicting to put credit on these things when you're such a realist... but I don't really care. :P
    - "layout how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs " and "feel certain that future changes will unfold in a foreseen way " : Used with the first one and the one above...my subconcious is constantly collecting a ton of data and some of it's interpreted into symbols. After enough of these "signs", my intuition becomes suspicious that something is about to happen. That ranges from really specific, like meeting someone and knowing what our relationship will be like a year from now, to vague such as: "Crap... gotta prepare myself. Something bad is about to happen." Since it is only my third function, I don't trust these hunches as well as I'd like to... that's why I say "suspicious."
    - "rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict, enlighten or transform " : I use certain symbols and objects as a means to keep myself grounded and motivate myself.
    - "deliberately pick a specific problem to sleep on and awaken with the full answer " : This is the worst. I never sleep well on these nights. They're somewhat frequent. And sometimes it's not even really deliberate.

    Bottom line: I love my Ni. It may not be as efficient as NJs'... but I feel like it still plays a huge part in how I think and who I am. They say that your third function is something you're drawn to in you 20's and are fascinated by. It also is the function you seem most playful and childlike when using. I'd say that's fairly accurate. I get excited and giddy when I use it sometimes, especially in the "aha!" moments. Other times, when Ni makes me lock onto an intense scenario that I feel will play out in the near future, I become more serious and withdrawn. I rarely share my insights in those cases.
    ...and I was responding to this post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    I have an inner monologue that sounds strikingly similar to something off Animal Planet.

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    Ni for me is:

    "Don't worry, it's going to be all right. It will work out."
    Weathergirl: District 38 is sunny. Slight rock showers this morning. Chance of rock showers into the afternoon—20 percent. District 39 is cloudy. Chance of rock showers this afternoon—10 percent.
    Edward: Bebop here here! Alright woo hoo!
    Weathergirl: Chance of rock showers today upgraded to 90 percent.
    Edward: Really.

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    ^My Se tells me that

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    ^My Se tells me that
    lol

    are you sure it's not -

    "I GOT THIS YO"
    Weathergirl: District 38 is sunny. Slight rock showers this morning. Chance of rock showers into the afternoon—20 percent. District 39 is cloudy. Chance of rock showers this afternoon—10 percent.
    Edward: Bebop here here! Alright woo hoo!
    Weathergirl: Chance of rock showers today upgraded to 90 percent.
    Edward: Really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Ni in ISFPs would cause them to embody some of their critique (how.. I dunno. In style maybe.. Or breaking into animal labs and freeing monkeys or something The sky's the limit).
    yes.

    "feel pulled to the symbolic, archetypal or mysterious " : I've always been drawn to unexpected things... dreams, symbols, archetypes, etc. Sometimes people feel it's contradicting to put credit on these things when you're such a realist... but I don't really care.
    and yes.
    "I don't know a perfect person.
    I only know flawed people who are still worth loving."
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    ISFP: The Crackpot

    ISFP personalities are characterized by their impulsiveness, their defiance of conformity and orthodoxy, and their competitive natures. Taken together, these traits make up the ideal crackpot. While an ISFP's personality might seem flighty and their attention span short to an outsider, ISFPs live by the motto "Life is best approach--oh, look, potato chips!"

    ISFPs are always on the cutting edge of new trends. Whether it's podcasting, taking up guitar, or running away to a far-off east African compound and joining a doomsday apocalyptic cult, ISFPs are always following their hearts and quickly embracing new ideas. However, they tend to be fleeting in their passions, which means they often may lack the dedication that marks a true cultist. While ISFPs often lack the dedication most people give to careers and family, they can still support themselves in more unorthodox ways, like by selling blood plasma, turning tricks, and mooching off their family.

    RECREATION: ISFPs enjoy activities that cater to their emotional passions, and often pursue many hobbies, such as music, painting, sculpting, and running off to Vegas to marry that cute waitress from Mack's Truck Stop over on Route 9. Whenever God speaks to someone, it's usually an ISFP.

    COMPATIBILITY: ISFPs do well in relationships with ISFJs and with anyone they meet in Las Vegas.

    Famous ISFPs include Joan of Arc and--oh, look, potato chips!
    the highlighted, though this is just a humorous description... is a combination of Fi and Ni at work together.
    "I don't know a perfect person.
    I only know flawed people who are still worth loving."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainne View Post
    lol

    are you sure it's not -

    "I GOT THIS YO"
    It tells me that too.

    But that could be bad too, if my "I got this, yo!" was originally inspired by bad Ni. I was talking about Kobe Bryant in another thread. I bet his earlier career airballs came from this. I got this yo! wonk, wonk

    My long take on this..

    I just kind see Ni as some other element of introversion..that's percieving things in a new or deeper/inspiring way, which could be creative, but also misfire like Andy said. If hold on to an idea that isn't profiting much, I still might hold on because.. I suppose... Fi is attached to it in some way. Like a leech. It takes Se to kick it off. If someone or my own research starts throwing new details in my face, shows me some facts, I'm like "Uh... shit. Alright. I have to go with something else." So that puts me back at dealing with things as they are, and I tell myself something like the above. "It's going to be alright." I figured that's part of Se.. a sort of "in the moment" sense of chill and disregard for the direction I was trying to push before.

    In an ISTP, say they were a stereotypical mechanic, and they had some bright idea on modifying their car... and it ends up being a mistake. Maybe some guy could still keep pushing this idea though. Even though he's tooling around in Se, he was originally inspired by some bad Ni idea.. until a friend just has to snap him out of it.. "Dude, it doesn't work." The minute he reverses his decision and deals with the facts would be Se too. And if his car's kind of as shitty as it was before, and he just accepts it, and says "it's going to be alright", I think that's Se. He'll just have to come up with something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    the highlighted, though this is just a humorous description... is a combination of Fi and Ni at work together.
    I was telling Whatever that Milla in that Joan of Arc movie was an awesome (but questionably insane) take on some ISFP traits.. and on the character in general. I think it got panned by critics, but I kind of liked that movie (especially the end, in the jail scenes). Definitely recommend it

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