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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    once upon a time I made this post to address that issue...
    hahaha. very nice advice.
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    I feel like I can using my sensing function well enough (at least to drive, not burn my hands while cooking, etc.), but the interest in expanding on that just isn't there. Even if it were possible, I feel far too wedded to my oftentimes nightmarish inner life to know the value - like trying to use out-of-country currency - though I'll hold on to them if they turn up.

    On daydreaming, I don't subscribe to the notion that you just flip a switch to turn it on, nor the reverse/do I romanticize it. Whatever it is, it's always there, distorting my every perception, smearing, slowing, inverting, making this that but not at the same moment, living the unreal. Not surprisingly, "always" and "never" are absent from my verbal vocabulary.

    It's strange though, having such a powerful reality function/memory with a deeply innate, unconscious desire to experience unreal states, that shake and/or annihilate my inner life so as to absorb knowledge/'wisdom" that might help me grow into a more aware, tolerant, and openminded human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    you'll never change that part of you that's compelled to daydream, but you CAN work on your Se some so that you actually get more pleasure out of the things that surround you in the present!

    Try this... next time you're out in the back yard or a park just flop on the grass... feel the breeze on your face and the heat of the sun, notice how the grass feels- is it prickly and dry or cool and pliant? Close your eyes for a moment and listen... what do you hear? are there children playing, birds singing, cars going by in the distance, an airplane overhead... what's going on around you that you can perceive with your ears alone? and then breathe in... do you smell the grass? is someone grilling? how about the dirt... can you smell it?

    Just work on noticing things and appreciating them... take little steps and it will get easier. It isn't as natural for you, but you can learn to do it better
    I like these suggestions! I try and do this sometimes but it's so hard! But very relaxing and worth the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    I feel like I can using my sensing function well enough (at least to drive, not burn my hands while cooking, etc.), but the interest in expanding on that just isn't there. Even if it were possible, I feel far too wedded to my oftentimes nightmarish inner life to know the value - like trying to use out-of-country currency - though I'll hold on to them if they turn up.

    On daydreaming, I don't subscribe to the notion that you just flip a switch to turn it on, nor the reverse/do I romanticize it. Whatever it is, it's always there, distorting my every perception, smearing, slowing, inverting, making this that but not at the same moment, living the unreal. Not surprisingly, "always" and "never" are absent from my verbal vocabulary.

    It's strange though, having such a powerful reality function/memory with a deeply innate, unconscious desire to experience unreal states, that shake and/or annihilate my inner life so as to absorb knowledge/'wisdom" that might help me grow into a more aware, tolerant, and openminded human being.
    i've been really trying hard to understand the difference between sp and nf. when first introduced to the mbti, i thought i was an infp and i always felt inbetween S and N. i think the difference might be that i first rely on my senses and then through what i actual see, feel, touch, etc., i'll go off into my imagination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clonester View Post
    I like these suggestions! I try and do this sometimes but it's so hard! But very relaxing and worth the effort.
    This is what confuses me, how is it hard? I was at my grandparents house the other day and was tired of the busy and the people so I went out to the garage layed on the cool concrete with the door open and just layed their looking at the sky listening to the things around me I do get lost in thought at times, but I am always pulled back into the breeze, the sounds, etc. Just relaxing.

    Find someone you like to talk to, not intense, just in a relaxing way, find a shade tree with grass and lay their observing everything around you while you talk.
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    i've been really trying hard to understand the difference between sp and nf. when first introduced to the mbti, i thought i was an infp and i always felt inbetween S and N. i think the difference might be that i first rely on my senses and then through what i actual see, feel, touch, etc., i'll go off into my imagination.
    That's why I like the way Keirsey boils it down to words and tools.

    SPs are concrete word users, i.e. talk more about real things - people, places, events, what things look like, sound like, smell like, taste like, etc. NFs are abstract word users, talk more about concepts, feelings, "what if" questions, how things can be changed or what they can become.

    SPs are utilitarian/adaptive when it comes to tools and behavior. Do what works, use what you have, whether or not it meets with everybody's approval or traditions. NFs are cooperative. Try to keep everybody happy and consider everybody's background and feelings on everything. Even if something is fun, don't do it if it might offend somebody.

    Obviously, everyone uses both concrete and abstract words, as well as acts both adaptive and cooperative with tools, but everybody has natural preferences one way or the other, and in this sense, SPs and NFs are temperamentally opposite.

    Hope that helps in your understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    That's why I like the way Keirsey boils it down to words and tools.

    SPs are concrete word users, i.e. talk more about real things - people, places, events, what things look like, sound like, smell like, taste like, etc. NFs are abstract word users, talk more about concepts, feelings, "what if" questions, how things can be changed or what they can become.

    SPs are utilitarian/adaptive when it comes to tools and behavior. Do what works, use what you have, whether or not it meets with everybody's approval or traditions. NFs are cooperative. Try to keep everybody happy and consider everybody's background and feelings on everything. Even if something is fun, don't do it if it might offend somebody.

    Obviously, everyone uses both concrete and abstract words, as well as acts both adaptive and cooperative with tools, but everybody has natural preferences one way or the other, and in this sense, SPs and NFs are temperamentally opposite.

    Hope that helps in your understanding.
    Yes!
    Thank you! From what I had been gathering recently, SP's seemed to be described as completely unimaginative. Which made absolute no sense to me, as we're the artistic & creative ones! But, I think I'm finally beginning to understand the differences a little better. I was trying to pay attention to my own thought processes today as I went for a walk, and I did notice I start with concrete things and then move into the realm of imagination based upon that.

    This might call for a different thread, or an already existing thread I'll have to search out, but I still want to understand the NF mind a bit more.
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    - never pass up an opportunity to try something new- be it fire roasted chicken hearts or buying a knife from a black market arms dealer- you never know when such an opportunity may present itself again and you don't want to be 90 years old and regretting that you never tried it!
    Okay...something new...even if it's weird like roasted chicken hearts

    Yeah, I have a hard time just enjoying the moment. I always either drift to the past and be sadden by it or drift to the future, which usually brightens me up. But I am seldom here, most everything to me is either past or future. In a way, I am envious of the kids my age because they know how to enjoy themselves and not worry. I worry and think too much, I ponder about things too much. While I like that in myself overall, I'd like to have some Se fun too. But for that to happen, I have to tie that with Fi or Ne somehow. The thing about being Fi dominant is that I need to satisfy that first, otherwise everything is just dreary and gray.

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    Try Se things by yourself or with someone you really trust then That way Fi doesn't get hampered by some social situation or whatnot.

    Or maybe I should just ask what you consider "Se fun"? Does it require socializing?

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