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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    Also, if SPs aren't good at art, then where does our talent lie? That's the trouble with pinning all creativity on abstractoids. You guys are intellectual, diplomatic, meaningful, visionary, intensely smart and passionate, AND you're the most creative and best troubleshooters? Then what the fuck is left for US?
    We tell them what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    no ability to develop a more clever sense of humor/no sense of humor
    How does this kind of thing even make it into a stereotype list? :confused:
    Well, most of the people I know who fit this category are sensors, or at least sensor-dominant.

    Plenty of intuitives lack a clever sense of humor, don't get me wrong. There just seems to be a correlation (however weak) to those who are sensors and not understanding underlying humor.

    Then again, this is coming from my perspective as an N. The things I find most funny are those with an underlying element of humor. I often find myself laughing when no one else is, and faking my laughter at things that are meant to be funny. Usually, these "funny" things are things promoted by sensors.

    Plenty of you are quite enjoyable, though. If you want to bring someone along with you to an activity, a sensor will make a great companion.
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    Often my own humor is... of the deflating variety. I might make light of a situation or a subject, or might do it to a person. Some people don't appreciate the second or third Sometimes I don't think through enough and the jokes have a cruel ring of truth of them. OTOH, I think I try to make light of my own self too.

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    ^ I do the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I've run across the following stereotypes about people with S in their type while browsing through the site and wanted other opinions on these myths- are they fact or fiction?

    (I personally think that they're all bullshit- well, maybe the attention whore thing applies to ALL ExxPs, but in general, these "theories" are completely idiotic! )
    One thing to always keep in mind is that there's like 5 billion Sensors on Planet Earth, so they're not all going to be alike on anything. However, there are obviously observable patterns, because that's what makes us who we are.

    sensors don't like math

    I hate math, but obviously there are tons who excel at it.

    sensors are extremely detail oriented

    I believe this one is true, yes. Now SPs and SJs differ a lot on what kinds of details they are oriented towards. This is one of those areas where I LIKE the function theories because they do a pretty good job of explaining it with the difference between "Se" and "Si." SPs tend to be detailed in their current in-the-moment actions, taking in with their senses and processing all the relevant information from their surroundings to apply to the task at hand. SJs meanwhile are much more detailed in terms of future planning and past mistakes, using their detailed memories as a guidebook to current and future action. It's not that SPs don't have detailed memories too, it's just that ours tend to be limited to what we're truly interested in, whereas SJs tend to remember all sorts of stuff they don't even care about. I remember discussing this with raz a while back. It's like SPs have a filter that sifts out the past data that doesn't matter to us now, but SJs keep on having it come back up in their mind whether they like it or not.

    attention whores

    Many are, many aren't, certainly not limited to Sensors. SPs have a desire to make an impact on people, but some of them do so in much more private less "Attention whore" ways.

    less than loyal

    This one could apply to any type. And is highly subjective. I would say SJs are probably the MOST likely to be viewed overall as loyal, however.

    sensors don't understand the internet

    I understand how to use what I want to use most of the time, but I'm totally clueless when it comes to the technical aspects of the internet.

    we are "sheep" and beleive and do what we are told

    For the most part, yeah. Most people don't like to think of themselves that way, but if you looked at us from a distance, we would appear to be quite sheep-like, and I don't really think there's anything wrong with that. By the way, you misspelled believe.

    sensors don't understand things like personality theory

    I don't understand the abstract notions of personality theory very well at all, but I think I understand practical application of relevant theory much better than most people on this forum. This is an area where I think the Intuitives' intuition serves them well in some areas - the more abstract theories being more understandable, but the observational skills of Sensors serve us to better see how the theories actually play out in real life.

    SJs like rules because they're rules, and rules are meant to be followed

    To a point, yes. SJs tend to be more trusting of authority and seek security and structure, so rules can be an effective way of achieving this. However, that doesn't mean that they always oppose changes in rules or believe there is never a time to bend or break them.

    sensors aren't smart

    That one's not even worth responding to really.

    SJs all love jesus... or religion in general

    I think SJs are the most likely to observe traditional religious rituals and to follow in the footsteps of family and community members in this area as well as many others, but that certainly doesn't mean all SJs are religious, and certainly not all Christian. NFs actually seem to be the most likely to get swept up in the "spiritual high" of religious faith and devote themselves to causes related to this with fervor. SPs who get into spirituality can rival them in this, but their reasons for doing so are often very different.

    sensors aren't very good at the arts, especially writing fiction

    Well, that's obviously poppycock, some of the most revered works of art of all time have been created by Sensors.

    SPs love nothing more than being single or cheating on their SOs

    There are definitely aspects of being single that I love, but I also often crave companionship of the opposite sex, so it goes back and forth. I don't know what "SOs" means, but if it means spouses, then I would say that plenty of SPs, including myself, have not cheated but because of our sensation-seeking personalities, we may be the most often tempted to do so, and perhaps more likely than the typical person of other temperaments.

    we're all crazy party animals

    All Sensors or just all SPs?

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    no ability to develop a more clever sense of humor/no sense of humor

    Definitely not true about SPs, we're all about the humor. And even SOME SJs have a sense of humor.
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    I'm not a party animal... but then, i'm an addict - a recovering one. a lot of stuff that defines parties scares the shit out of me. i don't want to lose myself too much.

    in parties i am social and friendly, and like meeting people, jumping from group to group, but in my view, it's all rather chill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    That list is bullshit.
    Please inform the new INTJ123 dupe account running around the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmartinez84 View Post
    omg, I'm totally one of the best troubleshooters I know!

    Hey stellar!
    SUUUUUP!

    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    true, my favorite jobs were always those in which I had to think on my feet and troubleshoot- I was elected unanimously to a position where I had to do that 3 years in a row in my professional frat (until I gave up and worked as an assistant my last year!)

    oh! don't forget playing football, scratching balls, making fart jokes, wearing body glitter and stuffing all of the poor Ns into their lockers as Sensor skills!
    hahaha. My ISFJ girl and her ISFP mom love burping and farting and making jokes about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    Hahahahahhahaa, I think I just fell in love with you, I am laughing hysterically!!!

    You had me at "abstractoids"







    Your post coupled with your avatar is PERFECTION!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    I'm still fucking laughing!!!

    I just imagine the dude in your avatar saying it, brilliant!!!!

    Hey, thanks, babe! Lurve you, too.

    (And actually, you can thank Jeffster for the term "abstractoids" - I just promoted it. )

    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    You're right of course man, but let me just say that half of the people in your tag are not ESTPs.
    Present your arguments, in another thread, of course. I'd like to hear them.

    Quote Originally Posted by yvonne View Post
    well... i think it's just N frustration, probably. we've been told we're weird and been looked at funny our whole lives, so then some Ns take it out on Ss on internet
    That's exactly what I was tryin' to say!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    sensors are extremely detail oriented

    I believe this one is true, yes. Now SPs and SJs differ a lot on what kinds of details they are oriented towards. This is one of those areas where I LIKE the function theories because they do a pretty good job of explaining it with the difference between "Se" and "Si." SPs tend to be detailed in their current in-the-moment actions, taking in with their senses and processing all the relevant information from their surroundings to apply to the task at hand. SJs meanwhile are much more detailed in terms of future planning and past mistakes, using their detailed memories as a guidebook to current and future action. It's not that SPs don't have detailed memories too, it's just that ours tend to be limited to what we're truly interested in, whereas SJs tend to remember all sorts of stuff they don't even care about. I remember discussing this with raz a while back. It's like SPs have a filter that sifts out the past data that doesn't matter to us now, but SJs keep on having it come back up in their mind whether they like it or not.
    Yes, thank you.

    Also, SJs tend to be better at forms because of this, because they register details in their memories much better than we do. For instance, on my job I'll do something the same way a thousand times, and on the thousand and first time I'll do it different, just because I think my brain requires change to survive. When it came to my first time actually dispatching drivers, though, which requires rapid dissemination of details and fast-paced action, my boss said, "NICE," and told me I did amazingly well keeping up. What can I say? I'm just skilled that way!

    I'm also a pretty good amateur detective. I figure out what people are doing or what they're up to by observing subtle actions that alot of others wouldn't notice. I kept up on office drama concerning my raise and was never surprised in the least when someone updated me on it even though it pretty much mostly happened behind closed doors (until the one dude got two weeks' suspension for insubordination, of course :eek

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    we are "sheep" and beleive and do what we are told

    For the most part, yeah. Most people don't like to think of themselves that way, but if you looked at us from a distance, we would appear to be quite sheep-like, and I don't really think there's anything wrong with that. By the way, you misspelled believe.
    I think pretty much all humanity could be seen that way, actually. Our philosophies always seem to be built upon past philosophies. I see this happening in history in a very distinct and concrete way. Some people are just fooling themselves by thinking they've come up with something completely new.

    But yeah, I have a hard time doing any kind of research on anything to find something out for myself. I just go with the flow and try to modify things according to current need instead of trying to figure out the extensive length and breadth of its roots and implications.

    There are some revolutionary ideas I have, but they're all rooted in concrete observation, whether it be libertarianism, the methodology of doing church or beliefs about the world to come.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    sensors don't understand things like personality theory

    I don't understand the abstract notions of personality theory very well at all, but I think I understand practical application of relevant theory much better than most people on this forum. This is an area where I think the Intuitives' intuition serves them well in some areas - the more abstract theories being more understandable, but the observational skills of Sensors serve us to better see how the theories actually play out in real life.
    YES! Exact-a-mundo, my Artisan brotha.

    I suck at figuring out the basic concepts and the whys and root issues, but once you tell me what concrete observations to look out for to determine type, I'm on it like Blue Bonnet! I can pretty often determine someone's type super quick using that technique with the madness of superior observation and precise memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    sensors aren't smart
    Can't comment on the rest, but on this one... Obviously not all sensors are dumb (Two of my best friends are ESTP and have IQs in the 120 and 140 range respectively), and I'm certain it isn't true for the majority of sensors on this site, but the statistical rule is a documented fact: 96% of high-IQ people are N.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Can't comment on the rest, but on this one... Obviously not all sensors are dumb (Two of my best friends are ESTP and have IQs in the 120 and 140 range respectively), and I'm certain it isn't true for the majority of sensors on this site, but the statistical rule is a documented fact: 96% of high-IQ people are N.
    Where's this documented fact at? I'm curious now.
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