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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    AGREED! It's like, what the fuck, dude? Can't she just hire a friggin' clown to fuck? She was probably cheating on him on the side, too. Bitch. She seriously needs to get whipped.
    I'd read that clown fucking tramp the riot act.

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    As for when I went through depression, other people had to tell me I was depressed, just like Halla. I also found my way out the exact same way he did.
    Is that not bizarre as hell? Everyone knew except us!

    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    Is it universal then that depression for an ESTP involves being in a fog you don't quite understand? Cuz that's totally what it was for me. I had no idea what my feelings meant, but once I realized what they were all about, it took very little time at all for me to root it out, considering I was depressed for a few years.
    Yes, FOG is exactly it, hardly the clarity of the world we are so used to surfing through with fun, ease, and style. It fucking sucked. I hated it. The day I found out I was clinically depressed, and accepted it, my head exploded, I was a complete mess, I was so pissed and sad and felt hopeless and went from crying to wanting to grab something and tear it apart to just wanting to bury myself in my bed and forget the world existed, all within an hour. I was so damn happy there was a liquor store nearby. I drowned myself in Jack Daniels that day, and I'm pretty sure I ate a fair amount of Xanax. It still didn't put me down, it just got me to where I could sit still and start the journey of figuring it all out, which took some time, maybe a few weeks, at most a month, and then once I knew thie usse I solved that shit and jumped out of it like Superman.

    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    Also, a very practical solution would be to get him to take some St. John's Wort. That shit works, for real. It knocks the shit out of your depression. But get the LIQUID kind, not the pill form! The pill form ain't worth shit. It helped me a little at first but then it wore off after awhile.
    The liquit St.JW. is dope!

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    Every once in awhile we ALL need a good kick in the pants.
    Well said!

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    Also, he needs proper sleep. When I don't get my proper rest I DO NOT act like my good ol' ESTP self. When I do, people never know what hit 'em. After I leave they all shake their heads and say, "Who WAS that shaggy-haired man, anyway?"
    Why is it that our default mode of engagement for everything is hyper-overdrive? Seriously. If I do anything, I do it balls to the wall, I don't half ass anything, I either PWN it or don't even bother with it. I'm here to win. Fuck second place, I don't look good in silver. But in doing so at some point we exhaust the fuck out of ourselves, and then we end up getting bitch slapped by life and fucking a few things up, and then we go "SHIT!" and scramble it all together again a little more cautiously than before, but as soon as we get our bearings straight again...off we go!

    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    But don't get TOO much sleep of course, cuz that only makes you more tired and wastes time for no good reason. I had to learn that the hard way.
    That usually ends in sunburn for me.

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    *note to self... drug the ESTP*

    "Drug" is such a harsh word, I prefer "chemically assist."

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    yeah- I fear that watching football will be his selection of something to cheer himself up this evening... which is my idea of living hell
    Sounds like its time for a girl's night out!

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    maybe I'll pelt him with paper airplanes... THAT tends to cheer him up!
    Those are fun to get pelted by, but what he really, really wants is shaving cream and or eggs smattered on him full on with no mercy...INDOORS. My friend Aaron and I have attacked each other like that ruthlessly for years and it always ends in hysterical laughter. :yim_rolling_on_the_
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    *note to self... drug the ESTP*

    Yeah. That does work. Just speaking from experience here.
    "Poor bastard. Wait 'till he sees the bats. "
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    actually, the girlfriend is one of my better friends and she kicked him out for another reason that was kind of his fault... they both have really strong personalities and get in power struggles on a frequent basis. He was already renting half of the house and not showing up (he rents here and stayed there for free, so it was a complicated situation)

    too much drama really

    So just getting him to realize the situation and DO something about it is really the key here? Pretty similar to with an ENTP really... which means that the real challenge is just feeling motivated enough to feel like doing something (which, ironically, will cheer you up )

    He's usually busy getting into rubber band shooting wars with people, though we've gotten into an ice cube fight while driving in the past! I think this may slightly horrify the poor ISTP, who wonders what sane people would DO such a thing

    Definitley tormenting him then..... and encouraging him to get things together in a way...

    and no girls night for me, I fear... all my female friends are watching the playoffs as well
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    PEST that STEPs on PETS stellar renegade's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Is that not bizarre as hell? Everyone knew except us!
    I knoooooowwww! riiight? And trouble is they'd tell me but I never believed them... cuz I always know better, of course...

    I'm at a point in life where I'm having to start listening to other people... an EXTREMELY hard lesson for me to learn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Yes, FOG is exactly it, hardly the clarity of the world we are so used to surfing through with fun, ease, and style. It fucking sucked. I hated it.
    YUP!

    I wrote a kinda lame poem about it, which sucked because I hadn't written poetry in years, but basically it described feeling like I was floating in some shitty muddy water where I couldn't tell which way was up and didn't know what I felt or if I even cared about being that way or not... now THAT'S depressed.

    I also think when we ESTPs get suicidal (if we ever do - I was never truly serious about it) we do for a different reason. Basically the reason I was depressed was because I felt horribly and inescapably trapped, and like nothing exciting would ever happen again:

    "On the other hand 'ennui' is how the Artisans become 'depressed.' The Artisan 'ennui' is akin to boredom -- grey and fog filled. Nothing exciting will ever happen again. It scares the Artisan."
    --David Mark Keirsey (Dr. Keirsey's son)

    I took the color quiz online several times and every time it said that I yearned for more freedom. That's always been the theme with me. I was raised in a pretty religiously strict household, which accounts for my reservations in life.

    Well I was trying to think up the most painless ways of offing myself so I could get it done as quick as possible just so I could see what was on the other side (which HAS to be exciting, right? no matter what it is) cuz I hated the dreariness of my life.

    Messed up, huh?

    Probably the biggest reason I didn't, though, was because I always thought about how it would make everyone around me feel. Not that I'm naturally empathetic but thinking that everyone loves me that much just made me wanna stick around a little longer, y'know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    The day I found out I was clinically depressed, and accepted it, my head exploded, I was a complete mess, I was so pissed and sad and felt hopeless and went from crying to wanting to grab something and tear it apart to just wanting to bury myself in my bed and forget the world existed, all within an hour. I was so damn happy there was a liquor store nearby. I drowned myself in Jack Daniels that day, and I'm pretty sure I ate a fair amount of Xanax.
    Oooooh, too familiar. When we get upset, you better watch out.

    I rarely EVER cry, but when I do it's like an explosive geyser. Mostly I was lonely and didn't feel like, no matter how hard I worked, I had the ability to hang out with cronies and have a blast. That's an innate need that I have, I realized. I had been fed that whole "you need to be an individual" propaganda shit my whole life but eventually I realized that it's not a bad thing to need to hang out with wild fucking hooligans like yourself who just wanna rip everything apart and make the ceiling cave in with their crazy antics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    It still didn't put me down, it just got me to where I could sit still and start the journey of figuring it all out, which took some time, maybe a few weeks, at most a month, and then once I knew thie usse I solved that shit and jumped out of it like Superman.
    hahahaha, right on. As long as I'm not tired, it's almost impossible knock me out.

    For me, the "journey of figuring it all out" involved, at first, me walking around trying to figure out the existential meaning of life. That was always a dead end, so I ended up just going with the St. John's Wort and running around tearing shit up. Man, I tore Wal-Mart apart, hahaha. I created an uproar every night I worked there. When I finally left everyone said, "It's just not gonna be the same after you leave..."

    But I had to do that shit. I realized it was the only thing that was gonna lift me outta my funk. I've been taught to stand in line and act all composed my entire fucking life and I can't stand it. THAT'S NOT WHO I FUCKING AM, WORLD!

    hahaha, I totally freak people out. But I mostly charm everyone with my shameless boldness and incomparably intense love of life.

    haha, once I was riding a cart down the aisle like it was a scooter or some shit and stopped just in time before I skated past the meanest, bitchiest manager we had! She was stocking in an aisle in pharmacy and I was surprised she had no fucking clue what I'd just been doing. I got away with murder there, for real. hahahaha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    The liquit St.JW. is dope!
    High five, bro! (It literally IS dope )

    You used to take that shit, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Why is it that our default mode of engagement for everything is hyper-overdrive? Seriously. If I do anything, I do it balls to the wall, I don't half ass anything, I either PWN it or don't even bother with it. I'm here to win. Fuck second place, I don't look good in silver. But in doing so at some point we exhaust the fuck out of ourselves, and then we end up getting bitch slapped by life and fucking a few things up, and then we go "SHIT!" and scramble it all together again a little more cautiously than before, but as soon as we get our bearings straight again...off we go!
    YEPPPPP! Wow, exactly.

    I'm way too careless sometimes. I find I have to incorporate just a bit of logistics (SJ-style living) in order for my tactics to even have a chance at surviving.

    Cuz shit, all those bills and living arrangements can last till the last minute for all I care!

    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    That usually ends in sunburn for me.
    You fucking Floridian. Send a little sun our way to the cloud-covered skies of Seattle, willya?

    Why the fuck did I even move here? Just kidding, I'm sure it'll clear up a bit in the next coupla months.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    "Drug" is such a harsh word, I prefer "chemically assist."
    Shit, you can get away with anything just by changing the wording a bit.

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    Those are fun to get pelted by, but what he really, really wants is shaving cream and or eggs smattered on him full on with no mercy...INDOORS. My friend Aaron and I have attacked each other like that ruthlessly for years and it always ends in hysterical laughter. :yim_rolling_on_the_
    Hey, they should play capture the flag with eggs in the woods! My friends and I did that in high school and we had a fucking blast.
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