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    Quote Originally Posted by Pettycure View Post
    As the only ESTP in Vent on a regular basis, I understand what you're talking about all too well.

    I've been told that I'm too scatter-brained to follow complex thoughts, that I'm not intellectual nor am I capable of being intellectual, that I'm the type of person who would believe the WWF was real, that I am "the queen of sensor talk" meant to suggest that I'm only capable of idiotic prattle, and my personal favorites, that I'm not capable of commitment, that I'm promiscuous emotionally and sexually, and that I'm basically an uncultured brute.

    What's ironic is that I'm probably innately more intelligent than most of the supposed NT geniuses who accuse me of being stupid. Just because I don't go around masturbating to my own intellect doesn't mean I'm a caveman.

    Yep, there is definitely a sensor bias around these parts.

    I'd also like to point out that most of the NFs and NTs here are probably SFs and STs. There is so much Intuitive worshipping in this place due to a lack of understanding that I think many people have mistyped themselves, purposefully or unknowingly, to feel special or fit in with the masses. A couple of thousand intuitives versus a few hundred sensors, viewed with an understanding that 75% of the world is comprised of sensors, cannot be accurate..
    Yea, I've already figured that out..... does appear to be many mistypes, but wherever you go, there are going to be those who are just dying to fit in, receive attention, and/or rise to the top of the social ladder. I doubt many istp's are going to lie, if they are like me. I tend to enjoy rebelling against the norm, whatever it may be, but I will accept anyone, whether they fit in or not. These days my rebellion is becoming less, because I've just accepted the way things are moreso, and it takes a whole lot more to irritate me, so there's less to rebel against. Rebelling isn't as appealing to me as it once was. I guess I got bored with rebelling against social groups. I think if they are happy, more power to them, but many times, it's just not my thing. I suppose that the more I know about people, the less challenging it becomes. It just is what it is. Totally just feel comfortable with the whole scenario and where I fit into it. And that's my way of "fitting in". I like all sorts of people and find them interesting, regardless of what they think about me.

    I personally don't think S's as a whole are scatter-brains or less intellectual, but that they use their intellect in different ways. You, for instance, are street smart, and many istp's admire those qualities in people. It all comes down to what a person sees as being important to their own success. I, for instance, am very irritated by people who can't change or alter their opinions or ideas easily, people who do the same things day-in-and-day-out, no matter what new information is thrown at them. I've realized this is a real problem for me, so I'm on my way to changing it. I think it's because I see that the ability to change rather quickly has always been integral to my success at anything I set out to do. So others who can't do it, well, in the past I have thought of them as stupid, but I realize now that they were just different, that although I could see where improvements would change their lives for the better, they were content to remain in the position they were in forever. I realize that a lot of people view "holes" in my way, and that many also think that because of them, I am stupid. (I can't imagine any estp thinking the wwf is real, although I suppose stranger things have happened lol).

    Some of us can show commitment to certain things when we need or want them badly enough, it is just done on a day-to-day basis and it takes some work (Michael Jordan, for instance, showed undying commitment, although he acted very non-committal about certain things). Me, I've been in a relationship for 7 years and never cheated a day, mainly because I realized at some point that cheap sex was not worth hurting someone else and crumbling something very important to me. Many times I act more non-committal than I am in reality, because I need to create space..... Promiscuity can be fun, when it works out. I've usually been disappointed by it honestly, because it was always a lot better in my head than it was in action. Sorry, but I've been known to revel in those things in the past lol..... uncultured brute, I would tend to agree with that in some ways for me, but certainly not all. I think my point is that I'm pretty happy with the stereotypes. I accept them, and I've learned to grow within them. All in all, yes, we are all born with certain tendencies, but many of us learn to manage them well and to change them. Being non-committal is one thing I generally am, but that doesn't mean I can't ever show commitment.

    ISTP's have a way of being able to understand complexities, but that doesn't mean that they communicate with others in that way. I think that is misunderstood, because we can be poor at verbal skills and communication. Many times also, we just like to observe others and not take part in it. We are also very private and like to keep much of what we think, to ourselves. And if it looks like a duck, and it acts like a duck, it must be a duck.......many people, including me many times, fail to see what's under the covers.

    So anyways, I expect that certain people will view me in certain negative ways, but I really don't give a rat's a**...... LoL, and I will like them regardless of how they view me. I refuse to allow the prejudices and limitations of others to control me or what I think about them.

    I find that I also tend to stereotype according to type, but I think it's because I really am pretty new to mbti and don't even know what all of the stereotypes are yet. I generally do know that many people can manage their tendencies well and to even act against them when needed. I think the more I observe and study the types, a better and more complex picture will emerge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pettycure View Post
    Just because I don't go around masturbating to my own intellect doesn't mean I'm a caveman.
    QFT.
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    Ah, the "SPs are monkeys" stereotype. A congregation of moody angsty forumers have little bearing on my life. Only the people who know me IRL have the right to judge, and the privilege of my concern for it. For example, I don't think there are many monkeys who run their own businesses. I'm the one that signs the NTs' paychecks...who happen to be decades older.
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    It's annoying that "Te" gets trumped up a lot as the function overseeing "action" and "doing things"..

    When it's Se.

    Yet, Se gets redefined as passive and overseeing pointless shit.. like "smelling Pizza".

    It's also annoying that N doms of both types skip over pertinent details about reality, and sometimes reach smug conclusions about subjects that are more nuanced. They basically have a cliffnotes view on the outside world, and that's only seen as a "positive" to them. It's positive and negative.

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    I feel your pain guys. And I like what you said @Pettycure . But like @ICUP says, I don't see ISTPs for sure lying about their type because I couldn't give a flying fuck what any NTs or NFs or anyone for that matter thinks of me. And I like being an SP. I totally wouldn't trade that up merely so people viewed me as more intellectual.
    A lot of people don't see the real me. They just see the public me. When in reality there is a lot more. Oh well, unlucky for them.

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    esfp's are hated by intj's

    and most nt's say S woman are sluts and whores...

    but as a guy esfp its weird on those threads

    t's make fun of f's too

    blar

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    I find some of the people in this forum to be such pansies. Like complaining or talking about extremely trivial things I wouldn't even second guess. There is definitely an S/N bias but luckily it's only in this forum and not in the real world where things actually matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steem View Post
    esfp's are hated by intj's

    and most nt's say S woman are sluts and whores...

    but as a guy esfp its weird on those threads

    t's make fun of f's too

    blar
    that's almost like a haiku.

    but not really.
    -end of thread-

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    From what I've seen it's pretty much every man for himself.

    INTPs make fun of INTJs
    NTPs are trolls
    INFPs are crybabies
    NFJs are manipulative and fake
    STJs are control freaks
    TPs are by default criminals
    nobody understands the poor ENFJs
    only ENFPs see "the light"
    ESFPs are sluts
    ISTPs are all potential killers
    ISFPs are push overs
    ENTPs have a black whole for a heart
    ENTJs kill babies to advance their careers


    The list goes on.

    Getting mad over this is giving some very confused individuals power over my life.

    I personally prefer to show the finger to all the labeling and be my own man.


    Then again, that's my type

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    Am i the only NT here? ㅋㅋㅋ Although i cant relate to S people well, because most of the s people dont talk about what we n talks, but that doesnt mean u are worst or better, and neither should u say that we look down on s, because firstly, not all ns look down and some dont even bother much abt mbti, we are just different but that doesnt make one superior to the other. Secondly, i can explain why u say some ns look down on s, because ns are supposingly rarer than s, so these ns think highly of themselves, i have friends who are intps and entjs who are so proud of themselves... And perhaps because most politicans and reknowned scientists and ns? So the nts assume they are better, but everyone is special in their own way and because ur weak pt is someones strong pt so the world complements each other

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