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    Leave me alone and you won't have any problems. Half the time I throw out unsolicited ideas because I know it irritates you. I do it because I am programmed to rebel in the face of control. I don't like my every move monitored. I don't like to keep looking over my shoulder wondering what's coming next, and I keep wondering if you are adding you own special twist of lemon to everything about me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    Leave me alone and you won't have any problems. Half the time I throw out unsolicited ideas because I know it irritates you. I do it because I am programmed to rebel in the face of control. I don't like my every move monitored. I don't like to keep looking over my shoulder wondering what's coming next, and I keep wondering if you are adding you own special twist of lemon to everything about me.
    lol, I get the feeling that INTPs like to rebel in the face of percieved stupidity, but maybe thats just me adding my own twist of how you may twist things
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    lol, I get the feeling that INTPs like to rebel in the face of percieved stupidity, but maybe thats just me adding my own twist of how you may twist things
    ...I think he may be an unhealthy INTP. Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectgirl View Post
    ...I think he may be an unhealthy INTP. Just a thought.
    ...or possibly just throwing out an idea trying to irritate us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    ...or possibly just throwing out an idea trying to irritate us.
    Yeah, I noticed he just randomly throws in his 2-cents on other threads; but it's so off the wall, I'm left wondering... "WTHeck??"

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectgirl View Post
    Yeah, I noticed he just randomally throws in his 2-cents on other threads; but it's so off the wall, I'm left wondering... "WTHeck??"
    lol, NFPs desire to know why. Sorry I am in training with an ENFP and she asked a question and after I answered she said that she just has to know "why" about things. It just seems so fitting

    Thats the new NFP motto "WHY?"

    And a few ISTPs motto would apparently be "Why ask why, try bud dry"
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    lol, NFPs desire to know why. Sorry I am in training with an ENFP and she asked a question and after I answered she said that she just has to know "why" about things. It just seems so fitting

    Thats the new NFP motto "WHY?"

    And a few ISTPs motto would apparently be "Why ask why, try bud dry"
    ISTP motto: huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McRumi View Post
    Probably more like ENFJs are to ISTPs as garlic is to vampires, and ISTPs are to ENFPs as silver bullets are to vampires. ENFJs merely annoy ISTPs or put them to sleep. but ISTPs can be devastating to an ENFJ.
    Heh. Don't delude yourself, ISTP. You must've been involved with a less determined ENFJ. I have to do a lot of tamping down on natural desires to raze and pillage.

    In opposite type relationships like ExFJ and IxTP, I don't believe one party has a particular advantage over the other. They are both equally equipped to devastate or invigorate the other. I've never been romantically involved with an ISTP but I have an ISTP sister (and an INTP brother!) and several ISTP friends. I'm not a cruel and immoral person but I know what I could do (and have done) to make people curl into a fetal position.

    Personally, I'm not one of those frilly Fe-doms that runs off crying. Unfortunately, I'm prone to escalate certain types of situations than de-escalate. I notice with both of my IxTP siblings I've got a lot more stamina than them when it comes to verbal lashings. I think IxTPs may try to detach but at my worse, I've followed people from room to room not giving any physical or mental space to detach. What they do that exasperates me is clam up and stop talking. As bad as this sounds, an argument is still feedback, negative feedback but there's still something I can work with. Even if they've clammed up, I've done something to get my feedback loop up and running again.

    From the comments in this thread and the plethora of other ISTP threads, I do wonder why you all even feel a need for romantic relationships if you always want to be alone. It seems to be relationships of convenience or the idea of having a SO without really having to do the work involved with having or keeping one. I've long reached the conclusion that IxTPs do best with people more similar to them...I find IxTPs to be the least adaptable to different types of personalities they have intimate contact with. I remember having conversations with another ISTP member here and he told me how he had to consciously override the desire to flee his relationship even though he loved his wife very much and they had a mostly good relationship.

    I have to agree though, if you have to do all this work to continue being in a relationship with someone I don't think it's meant to be. Personally, I always see how things can be better. For things I don't care about "as is" is fine. But for what I do care about, "as is" is not acceptable. I notice my closest friends are strivers. I don't know how to explain how energizing it is and how I find happiness and joy in the striving part rather than "take it easy" part.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Heh. Don't delude yourself, ISTP. You must've been involved with a less determined ENFJ. I have to do a lot of tamping down on natural desires to raze and pillage.

    In opposite type relationships like ExFJ and IxTP, I don't believe one party has a particular advantage over the other. They are both equally equipped to devastate or invigorate the other. I've never been romantically involved with an ISTP but I have an ISTP sister (and an INTP brother!) and several ISTP friends. I'm not a cruel and immoral person but I know what I could do (and have done) to make people curl into a fetal position.

    Personally, I'm not one of those frilly Fe-doms that runs off crying. Unfortunately, I'm prone to escalate certain types of situations than de-escalate. I notice with both of my IxTP siblings I've got a lot more stamina than them when it comes to verbal lashings. I think IxTPs may try to detach but at my worse, I've followed people from room to room not giving any physical or mental space to detach. What they do that exasperates me is clam up and stop talking. As bad as this sounds, an argument is still feedback, negative feedback but there's still something I can work with. Even if they've clammed up, I've done something to get my feedback loop up and running again.

    From the comments in this thread and the plethora of other ISTP threads, I do wonder why you all even feel a need for romantic relationships if you always want to be alone. It seems to be relationships of convenience or the idea of having a SO without really having to do the work involved with having or keeping one. I've long reached the conclusion that IxTPs do best with people more similar to them...I find IxTPs to be the least adaptable to different types of personalities they have intimate contact with. I remember having conversations with another ISTP member here and he told me how he had to consciously override the desire to flee his relationship even though he loved his wife very much and they had a mostly good relationship.

    I have to agree though, if you have to do all this work to continue being in a relationship with someone I don't think it's meant to be. Personally, I always see how things can be better. For things I don't care about "as is" is fine. But for what I do care about, "as is" is not acceptable. I notice my closest friends are strivers. I don't know how to explain how energizing it is and how I find happiness and joy in the striving part rather than "take it easy" part.
    I agree 100% with everything that is said to a T. I have learned to shutdown like their aint no tomorrow with an ENFJ. A cop could never get anything out of me when I hit this as all emotions just turn off

    I find IxTPs to be the least adaptable to different types of personalities they have intimate contact with.
    The struggle with conflicting pairs is I agree 100%, but adaptable would be in a different sense(gonna have to think about how this is different), but ENFJs are also the least able to work with those they are close to as the closer people become the less "as-is" is acceptable, the more demanding they become of those people to strive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    Heh. Don't delude yourself, ISTP. You must've been involved with a less determined ENFJ. I have to do a lot of tamping down on natural desires to raze and pillage.
    <g> Non-ISTPers just miss out on all the ISTP humor.

    So sad.

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