ok, when I talk about manipulation I am talking more about indirect interaction, not direct interaction. Kinda like being vague instead of a direct route.
edit: My goal is also more to manipulate a feeling, not so much an action. With something like fear the manipulation is to remove it, with love it is to figure out what makes someone feel loved. In this regard its not about what I want. This is where manipulation scares people and why I dont like the word manipulation tied to it.
In response to what wilfrey said, yes I have tried to convince my dad to do something because that was keeping my mom from going with me, my wife, and my son to chuck e cheese. So I used my son as bait to try to convince my dad that my son really wanted him to go.