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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    so long as you zip it, don't show emotions and have a slew of excuses in your back pocket before hand
    lol, see, that's what I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinel View Post
    I actually understand those terms differently. I think "manipulation" is in the T vocabulary, whereas "influence" is primarily an F word.
    You can put lipstick on a pig all you want, but it's still a pig. It stems from the same skillset, so it's both the same thing, but how it is used varies depending on a person's morals and values. People just have a knee-jerk reaction to the word "manipulation".

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    yeah, because all Ns are geeky little nerds, that's the distinction between N and S
    go smoke a pipe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    go smoke a pipe.
    You smell bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    go smoke a pipe.
    Your mom smokes a pipe.

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    You smell bad.
    Your mom smells bad.

    Ok, now that we have that out of our systems...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pettycure View Post
    You can put lipstick on a pig all you want, but it's still a pig. It stems from the same skillset, so it's both the same thing, but how it is used varies depending on a person's morals and values. People just have a knee-jerk reaction to the word "manipulation".
    I do not deny that both words may refer to the same concept, but the connotations are part of the language. That is why there are two different words, not one. Redefining the word will not achieve anything besides allowing more people more chances to misinterpret or misunderstand you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pettycure View Post
    Your mom smokes a pipe.



    Your mom smells bad.

    Ok, now that we have that out of our systems...
    I wish my mom smoked the pipe, I think the phrase "your mom" was invented by an "S"

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    Its a struggle to not put 2 and 2 together even with people. I will read people, test them, etc., to see how they respond. I do not judge at all based on this. I also expect others will do the same.

    At a marriage counseling session we got a validation exercise, my wife learned some of the things I do to validate things I see that she had no idea I did even after 10 years together.
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    So...what's the question?

    Do xSTPs take people apart and analyze them, and then manipulate them?

    Yes, I suppose. Depending on how broad your definition of "manipulate" (or influence, or whatever), then I would assume that all people (except hermits) do this.

    Is there something specific about the STP nature you are addressing here?
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    This thread is def appreciated. I was thinking about this on Thanksgiving when I was accused of manipulating family members. I was trying to figure out a way to explain that manipulation isn't necessarily a bad thing. For instance, every parent manipulates their children so they won't:

    - get kidnapped, raped and killed(forcing your kids to watch a grainy vhs of "Adam" over and over again.)

    - won't get out of bed unnecessarily in the middle of the night(monster under the bed)

    Those are just a couple of examples related to my personal experience as a kid, but you get the idea.

    Yeah, I watch people very closely and deduce their motivations. Once you know what motivates a person you can manipulate the balls out of them. I especially like to use it to subtly steer conversations in a certain direction, usually in an attempt to influence their actions. It's kind of like that Jedi knight thing.
    “Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba…”


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