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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Hi there! Got it.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not a medical doctor, but I will share what I know of common causes of fatigue. See an M.D. if you can't resolve your fatigue with some simple lifestyle adjustments and nutritional supplements.

    A few questions to clarfy the situation...

    (1) How long has your energy level been ridiculously low? (a) 3 months, (b) 6 months?, (c) 1 year?, (d) longer?
    Hmm, I might have exaggerated "ridiculously low". It's not so low to the point that I can't do anything but I get sleepy a lot, which makes it hard for me to concentrate on the activities (trying to clean up my place, homework, hanging out with friends, etc.) It's been like this since the middle of highschool. I'm in college now.

    These might seem basic, but:
    (2) Are you getting 6-8 hours of sleep per night?
    About 5-6 hours during school. But now during the summer, I usually sleep up to 10 hours a day if no one wakes me up.

    (3) How is your diet? Do you eat a wide variety of healthy foods?
    Hmm, it depends. I had period of restrictedly healthy food following by periods of chips, instant noodles, and fried eggs. But for the most part, I try to avoid unhealthy food but I think I'm not eating enough a wide range of healthy food.

    (4) Are you a vegetarian? If so, do you take an iron supplement? (Anemia?)
    I love meat way too much to become vegeterian . I don't know about having anemia but my doctor did say my iron level is low.

    (5) Do you drink one or more colas or sweet tea each day? (Sugar crash/hypolgecima?)
    I don't like sweet drinks. Milk and water for me, mostly.

    (6) Do you exercise? If so, what kind? How often?
    I hit the gym about once a week. If lucky. Hmm....I see where you're going at.

    That must be frustrating. I'm sorry to hear that you are having such issues right now. Luckily, we live in a time where nutrition and medicine can work wonders if we take the time to get the right diagnostic work done, and seek appropriate treatments.
    Indeed . I'm still trying to figure out mine. I looked up information on nutrition before but got overwhelmed by them. How did you get your diagnostic done?


    I don't react well to energy drinks, personally. They give me indigestion, and they are basically sugar, a motherload of vitamins, caffeine, and aminor acids + a few random herbal ingredients in some cases. There is always a crash that is experienced after a jolt of energy is experienced, whether it is from a cup of coffee, an energy drink, or even amphetamines. What goes up, must come down.
    I reacted that way as well to coffee. I would become really hyper and then dead tired after. And it sucks because even though I feel like crap, I cannot sleep because of the caffeine. So I suppose the energy drinks wouldn't be a good solution.

    I like to have an EVEN amount of energy each day. I find that a good diet is essential for me, to keep my level of energy on an even keel. Also, I find I have more energy when I am working out regularly. If I have a layoff, then I feel sluggish for a week or so until I've been back at the gym again for another week or so.
    I see. Working out seems to be an important aspect of your source of energy. I think I need to try to work out more often.


    Finally, if there is a deficiency of thyroid (T3/T4) hormones in your blood, you are due to feel lethargic no matter what, and that can only be corrected with medication (Cytomel). A blood test can tell you what your thyroid levels are.
    Holy cow, I sure hope I don't have it because I would hate to be dependent on medication at my age.

    Looking forward to your response, good luck!



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    You are really helpful and informative. Thank you so much Halla!

    I will take what you said into consideration and do some research about them and see whether it might apply to me. I'll try first by working out more often. Nutrition, not so much for now, because I used to have school meal plans but not anymore, and I hate cooking . I'll let you know the results. And stay awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    Hmm, I might have exaggerated "ridiculously low". It's not so low to the point that I can't do anything but I get sleepy a lot, which makes it hard for me to concentrate on the activities (trying to clean up my place, homework, hanging out with friends, etc.) It's been like this since the middle of highschool. I'm in college now.
    Sleepiness is a real pain in the butt.

    I've got ADHD, and if whatever it is I have to be doing does not meet or exceed my minimum threshold of mental stimulation, I have a really hard time concentrating on it. The thing is though part of ADHD is "hyperactivity" (as opposed to ADD), and even though I am hyperactive (you have no idea) if I am disinterested in something, I will fall asleep in the midst of it. I kid you not. Even if I have had 7-8 hours of sleep the night before, if I am bored in a meeting, I begin to nod off...hard. :zzz:

    Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is another thing to ponder on:

    FROM: Chronic fatigue syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Сhronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) is the most common name[1] given to a variably debilitating disorder or disorders generally defined by persistent fatigue unrelated to exertion, not substantially relieved by rest and accompanied by the presence of other specific symptoms for a minimum of six months.[2]"

    Depression???
    Also, depression can deprive you of energy to do everything, even things you like to do (like hanging out with your friends). Is there a chance you are depressed about something?

    Considering the length of time fatigue has been an issue for you, I would venture to say it is in your best interest to seek out its cause, and remedy it to the degree possible in order for you to have a full and productive life. You are very young still, and a lack of energy for the next 40 years will be detrimental to you in a number of ways. When you become a parent, you will use up alot of energy each day, believe it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    About 5-6 hours during school. But now during the summer, I usually sleep up to 10 hours a day if no one wakes me up.
    Seriously try to get more sleep at night.
    Shoot for 7-8 hours.
    My MD told me last year that lack of sleep at night is a primary culprit of people feeling lethargic during the day.

    Also, as a bodybuilder, I can tell you that lack of sleep also predisposes your body to store fat, even if you are eating well and exercising, as excessive cortisol is in your system when you are exhausted, and cortisol makes your body store fat.

    Finally, if you can get 10 hours of sleep in the summer, or any other time, then do it! It will never hurt you to get more sleep!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    Hmm, it depends. I had period of restrictedly healthy food following by periods of chips, instant noodles, and fried eggs. But for the most part, I try to avoid unhealthy food but I think I'm not eating enough a wide range of healthy food.
    Here is a great summary on fitness and nutrition that you might find useful.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...01-post45.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    I love meat way too much to become vegeterian . I don't know about having anemia but my doctor did say my iron level is low.
    You can get extra iron from spinach. I'm not big on iron supplementation. I'd rather eat a few spinach and cheese omelets per week and a fat filet mignon on the weekend to keep my iron levels in check. Pills. Meh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    I don't like sweet drinks. Milk and water for me, mostly.
    Me either, that's exactly what I drink. When I wake up I have one cup of coffee, then at work all day long I drink bottled water, at home for dinner I have a glass or two of red wine with dinner, and at 1:00 AM each morning I have a huge glass of milk and whatever else I want. I also drink alot of soymilk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    I hit the gym about once a week. If lucky. Hmm....I see where you're going at.
    Ahh haaaa... You might want to try exercising four days per week. There is ALOT of fitness advice in this thread. I'll send you the links if you want.

    Although counter intuitive, exercising regularly increases your overall level of energy, because your body becomes more efficient at using what it has to work with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    Indeed . I'm still trying to figure out mine. I looked up information on nutrition before but got overwhelmed by them. How did you get your diagnostic done?
    I asked my MD for a bloodwork profile as part of my annual physical. Most doctors want to do bloodwork every two years. You should have no issues getting a full profile that way, endocrine as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    I reacted that way as well to coffee. I would become really hyper and then dead tired after. And it sucks because even though I feel like crap, I cannot sleep because of the caffeine. So I suppose the energy drinks wouldn't be a good solution.
    Yep. Plus, energy drinks taste like rhinoceros piss.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    I see. Working out seems to be an important aspect of your source of energy. I think I need to try to work out more often.
    Try it, you'll like it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    Holy cow, I sure hope I don't have it because I would hate to be dependent on medication at my age.
    Thyroid deficiencies are more common than you might think. But, they are easily corrected with medication, and that is not a dangerous medication at all. Birth control is more dangerous than T3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    You are really helpful and informative. Thank you so much Halla!
    Awww, thanks so much for your kind words! You are VERY welcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    I will take what you said into consideration and do some research about them and see whether it might apply to me. I'll try first by working out more often.
    Divide and conquer. Identify the possible causes of your fatigue, and systematically eliminate one at a time. At some point you are bound to find a solution that works for you if you take such an approach. It might take you a little while, but it is a path that eventually leads to victory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    Nutrition, not so much for now, because I used to have school meal plans but not anymore, and I hate cooking
    Cooking is soooo easy! I'm working on an "easy and nutritious cooking for lazy people" thread. I'll send you a link when it is done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goosebump View Post
    I'll let you know the results. And stay awesome.
    Good luck, and thanks so much!
    You keep flexing your awesomeness too!



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    As a quick note, dehydration is an oft-forgotten, quick-fix culprit. Sometimes when I'm feeling drowsy I realize I haven't been drinking water, and as soon as I'm hydrated I'm back in the game.
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    How's the best way to open up to people, especially when you need friends in real life because you don't really have any anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    As a quick note, dehydration is an oft-forgotten, quick-fix culprit. Sometimes when I'm feeling drowsy I realize I haven't been drinking water, and as soon as I'm hydrated I'm back in the game.
    That's a great tip!

    Dehydration can really mess you up.
    I drink water constantly.

    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    How's the best way to open up to people, especially when you need friends in real life because you don't really have any anymore?
    Hello Tawanda!

    The best way to open up to people in my experience is to pay attention to the folks you are exposed to through your work and school related activities, and of course sports/hobbies/other fun stuff, and figure out which you like the personalities of. Then it's simply a matter of talking to them in the course of what is going on in the moment that you both are in the same proximity. I swear, it is that easy.

    Being female, you don't want to risk exposing yourself to creeps, so please be safe and selective when it comes to talking to guys. Remember: MEN ARE PIGS. Nevertheless - there are some of us left who are willing to park our animistic urges for the sake of having a chance at getting to know women we are attracted to. Even men get tired of playing the field at some point, and would be more than happy to have someone in their life that they can relate to as a friend and a partner, and not just a lover. In my opinion, guys should be doing a better job of asking women out. Women should be comfortable with initiating contact with men, but the guy needs to do the chasing. Sorry, I'm old fashioned that way.

    So, if you are having issues with meeting potential friends, what are the odds that you are not engaging in activities where you have a good chance of meeting the people you seek the company of? What does your social life consist of?

    I wish you luck in finding a good friend or two. Friends are the treasure of life. If you have them life is alot more fun and easier, at least in my experience. Just get yourself out there and see what happens. Remember, you have to be on the playing field if you ever wish to catch the ball and make a touchdown? Got it?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post



    Being female, you don't want to risk exposing yourself to creeps, so please be safe and selective when it comes to talking to guys. Remember: MEN ARE PIGS. Nevertheless - there are some of us left who are willing to park our animistic urges for the sake of having a chance at getting to know women we are attracted to. Even men get tired of playing the field at some point, and would be more than happy to have someone in their life that they can relate to as a friend and a partner, and not just a lover. In my opinion, guys should be doing a better job of asking women out. Women should be comfortable with initiating contact with men, but the guy needs to do the chasing. Sorry, I'm old fashioned that way.

    So, if you are having issues with meeting potential friends, what are the odds that you are not engaging in activities where you have a good chance of meeting the people you seek the company of? What does your social life consist of?

    I wish you luck in finding a good friend or two. Friends are the treasure of life. If you have them life is alot more fun and easier, at least in my experience. Just get yourself out there and see what happens. Remember, you have to be on the playing field if you ever wish to catch the ball and make a touchdown? Got it?



    -Halla
    Haha, it's okay. I learned my lesson with creeps. They're pretty easy to spot out lately, or else I was just oblivious before. I've joined clubs. I'm doing ultimate frisbee now, and I'm considering joining a sorority and helping out troubled youth as well, so I'd say that I'm getting involved. What's hard is that I'm a commuter...I didn't realize how socially hard it was to do that until recently, and the people I've met so far like me, they think I'm a cool chica and all, but I just have trouble getting close to people...I wouldn't even call it a social phobia, maybe I'm afraid to be jaded again but won't admit that to myself? I'm not really sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    Haha, it's okay. I learned my lesson with creeps. They're pretty easy to spot out lately, or else I was just oblivious before.
    Good for you. Always have your creep radar up and running. Beware of "nice guy" creeps too. Basically, don't take any shit from men. That advice is actually generic enough to apply to women too. People who try to treat you like shit are not worth your time. Period.

    Anyone who is sincerely trying to initiate or participate in a friendship, whether romantic or platonic, is going to be of kind demeanor. Why would anyone seek the company of people who are mean to them? I've never figured that out, but there are lots of folks who think they need that. Maybe it's based in early childhood experiences, or maybe early relationship patterns that were never shaken, but regardless of the cuase, thinking that way will lead to an unhealthy and unfulfilling existence. Surround yourself with GOOD people, because YOU ARE who you associate with. I hated that expression when I was younger, but have lived long enough to see the truth in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    I've joined clubs. I'm doing ultimate frisbee now, and I'm considering joining a sorority and helping out troubled youth as well, so I'd say that I'm getting involved.
    Hell yes, you are! Good for you!

    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    What's hard is that I'm a commuter...I didn't realize how socially hard it was to do that until recently,
    I understand that all too well. My first two years of college I was a commuter as well. It was difficult to establish a new social life. It's not like I wanted to live on campus in a dorm, that just never appealed to me. But I think in all honesty I really did not know what to expect, so I got taken by surprise much like you are now. I moved out of my parent's house at the end of my sophomore year and transferred to a University in Florida. I rented a shitty little duplex in a neighborhood very close to campus. That was the beginning of two great years of my life. I was able to come and go as I pleased with no stupid dorm policies or hall monitors to deal with. I could own pets. I could have guests over and not have hoards of other people all up in my business. I had a roomate, we split the bills, and we each had a cool pad to live in while we were in college. This is a great option to consider at some point...

    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    and the people I've met so far like me, they think I'm a cool chica and all, but I just have trouble getting close to people...
    Interesting. What do you mean "have trouble getting close to people?" Do you mean that you find it difficult to trust other people? Do you feel that you will be rejected if you open up and let other people know what your thoughts and feelings are about things? Do you initiate friendships and then withdraw some time after due to feelings of discomfort?

    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    I wouldn't even call it a social phobia, maybe I'm afraid to be jaded again but won't admit that to myself? I'm not really sure.
    Jaded? Could you please explain what you mean by jaded? Do you mean "tired of trying to initiate friendships?"

    jad·ed/[jey-did]
    –adjective

    1. dulled or satiated by overindulgence: a jaded appetite.
    2. worn out or wearied, as by overwork or overuse.
    3. dissipated: a jaded reprobate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post

    Interesting. What do you mean "have trouble getting close to people?" Do you mean that you find it difficult to trust other people? Do you feel that you will be rejected if you open up and let other people know what your thoughts and feelings are about things? Do you initiate friendships and then withdraw some time after due to feelings of discomfort?
    Sort of all of the above. I've always found it difficult to trust people, I learned the hard way that people shouldn't be trusted when I was younger, and couldn't really break the habit of being distant from others. I feel like a lot of times I'll express my opinions about several things, but a lot of times I don't see a need to, although others do, which may express a fear of rejection, but I'm not really afraid, I just don't care, or maybe I don't know when it's important to. The third question happens sometimes...I really can't think of more than two situations in which I withdrew from friends.


    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Jaded? Could you please explain what you mean by jaded? Do you mean "tired of trying to initiate friendships?"

    jad·ed/[jey-did]
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    1. dulled or satiated by overindulgence: a jaded appetite.
    2. worn out or wearied, as by overwork or overuse.
    3. dissipated: a jaded reprobate.

    FROM: Jaded | Define Jaded at Dictionary.com
    Overused in the sense that a lot of friends took me for granted and then in the end treated me like shit and expected me to do a lot more than I should've in such a relationship. I told them off whenever they would confront me about stupid stuff, like why I didn't hang out with them one day, and I just said who the fuck cares, you can live without me for a whole freaking day, especially if you're the one whose busy. Don't expect me to be your pet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    Sort of all of the above. I've always found it difficult to trust people, I learned the hard way that people shouldn't be trusted when I was younger, and couldn't really break the habit of being distant from others. I feel like a lot of times I'll express my opinions about several things, but a lot of times I don't see a need to, although others do, which may express a fear of rejection, but I'm not really afraid, I just don't care, or maybe I don't know when it's important to. The third question happens sometimes...I really can't think of more than two situations in which I withdrew from friends.
    Got it.

    You might want to check this out:

    FROM: Attachment in adults - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dissmissive Avoidant Attachment:
    "People with a dismissive style of avoidant attachment tend to agree with these statements: "I am comfortable without close emotional relationships. It is very important to me to feel independent and self-sufficient, and I prefer not to depend on others or have others depend on me." People with this attachment style desire a high level of independence. The desire for independence often appears as an attempt to avoid attachment altogether. They view themselves as self-sufficient and invulnerable to feelings associated with being closely attached to others. They often deny needing close relationships. Some may even view close relationships as relatively unimportant. Not surprisingly, they seek less intimacy with relationship partners, whom they often view less positively than they view themselves. Investigators commonly note the defensive character of this attachment style. People with a dismissive-avoidant attachment tend to suppress and hide their feelings, and they tend to deal with rejection by distancing themselves from the sources of rejection (i.e., their relationship partners)."

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    Understanding your mode of attachment is very important if you wish to form healthy interpersonal relationships, and good people skills in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    Overused in the sense that a lot of friends took me for granted and then in the end treated me like shit and expected me to do a lot more than I should've in such a relationship. I told them off whenever they would confront me about stupid stuff, like why I didn't hang out with them one day, and I just said who the fuck cares, you can live without me for a whole freaking day, especially if you're the one whose busy. Don't expect me to be your pet.
    Well you and me are very much alike in that regard. If you ever run out of ways to tell people to fuck off then let me know and I'll send you my 4,835 page anthology titled "Dude, I'm serious, Fuck Off. NOW."

    Don't take shit from ANYONE.

    Friendship is a two way street.

    Anyone who expects more from you than they are willing to extend in goodwill and common courteousy is a vampire, and should not be considered your true friend, in my opinion.

    Any thoughts on the above?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Got it.

    You might want to check this out:

    FROM: Attachment in adults - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dissmissive Avoidant Attachment:
    "People with a dismissive style of avoidant attachment tend to agree with these statements: "I am comfortable without close emotional relationships. It is very important to me to feel independent and self-sufficient, and I prefer not to depend on others or have others depend on me." People with this attachment style desire a high level of independence. The desire for independence often appears as an attempt to avoid attachment altogether. They view themselves as self-sufficient and invulnerable to feelings associated with being closely attached to others. They often deny needing close relationships. Some may even view close relationships as relatively unimportant. Not surprisingly, they seek less intimacy with relationship partners, whom they often view less positively than they view themselves. Investigators commonly note the defensive character of this attachment style. People with a dismissive-avoidant attachment tend to suppress and hide their feelings, and they tend to deal with rejection by distancing themselves from the sources of rejection (i.e., their relationship partners)."

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    Understanding your mode of attachment is very important if you wish to form healthy interpersonal relationships, and good people skills in general.
    Hmm...I sort of see that having a large connection with 7 enneagrams...or maybe that's just me lol.

    As of now I'm searching more in-depth about this sort of attachment...if you know any sites off the top of your head that provide how to deal with it, feel free to share.


    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Well you and me are very much alike in that regard. If you ever run out of ways to tell people to fuck off then let me know and I'll send you my 4,835 page anthology titled "Dude, I'm serious, Fuck Off. NOW."

    Don't take shit from ANYONE.

    Friendship is a two way street.
    Unfortunately, like everything else, I learned that the hard way, and the anthology sounds interesting lol. I've been known recently to be a bitch (at worst), or that I'm not messing around or I don't take shit from anyone from my peers, which I think is good...sort of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Anyone who expects more from you than they are willing to extend in goodwill and common courteousy is a vampire, and should not be considered your true friend, in my opinion.

    Any thoughts on the above?
    I don't like pale-faced jerks with a large fanbase that sparkle...

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