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    Default Define Fi for an SP

    I can't find any definitions of Fi that really ring true to me. Beyond me thinking 'yeah, I like people' Any suggestions?




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    Situational? (For me though I am very very selective)

    Why don't you define yourself in terms of relational experiences?
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    This will be tough.

    I think Fi tells us what is good, what is right and what is important. Fi wants to get to the heart of things.
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    Fi respects the genuine and what reflects the value of the person and rejects the artificial and the externally imposed. Fi hates doing things because they are socially expected or required if they are not congruent with what the individual feels and values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    This will be tough.

    I think Fi tells us what is good, what is right and what is important. Fi wants to get to the heart of things.
    I guess Fi is like Ti, except Ti just tells you what's going on. What's good, or right, or important, is totally subjective and dependent on context.


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    Fi = Ti + value judgement

    How's that for a definition? Or a building block?


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    Or, I guess what I'm getting at is (at least based on what I understand about Ti/Fi), they both seem to based on a gut level reaction/understanding.

    Both very much tuned in to personal experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    Fi = Ti + value judgement

    How's that for a definition?
    Ok now define Ti.
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    I find the idea of internal judgement (Fi, Ti) interesting, are we like Js turned inside out? Are we planning, framing, organising, building (all the typical J stuff) in the "internal" world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinel View Post
    Situational? (For me though I am very very selective)

    Why don't you define yourself in terms of relational experiences?
    What does it mean to define yourself in terms of relational experiences?
    Define yourself by your experience with others?
    I think I define myself in some ways by the experiences I am able to create and have with others. But there is more than that. Ultimately, I see myself as separate, working on the experience.


    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    This will be tough.

    I think Fi tells us what is good, what is right and what is important. Fi wants to get to the heart of things.
    I can see this. I don't understand the part about getting to the heart of things.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    Fi respects the genuine and what reflects the value of the person and rejects the artificial and the externally imposed. Fi hates doing things because they are socially expected or required if they are not congruent with what the individual feels and values.
    I understand this as the definition of being an individual.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    I guess Fi is like Ti, except Ti just tells you what's going on. What's good, or right, or important, is totally subjective and dependent on context.


    ........

    Fi = Ti + value judgement

    How's that for a definition? Or a building block?


    Thinking out loud.
    Think out loud, by all means.

    I get what you are saying about Ti+value judgement. That makes more sense to me than a link with universal truths etc...that I see in some descriptions.

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    I don't think so. I think Ti is about optimizing and making more precise in the moment. It's not step by step and breaking down into smaller pieces, chunking and planning the way Te is.

    I think Fi is about harmonizing and assigning value and personal congruence in the moment. It's isn't pre-determined and stiff the way Fe can be.

    I think they are actually different (but applying to the same domain) functions, not exactly the same function turned in or out. In a way, I think Fe and Fi, and Te and Ti conflict more than T and F do in the broader sense.

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