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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    I don't think so. I think Ti is about optimizing and making more precise in the moment. It's not step by step and breaking down into smaller pieces, chunking and planning the way Te is.

    I think Fi is about harmonizing and assigning value and personal congruence in the moment. It's isn't pre-determined and stiff the way Fe can be.
    I think we are as inwardly stiff as they are outwardly stiff (lol), we look to control the inner world and they look to control the outer world, I'm sure of it.
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    I don't know if I have an inner world. I think I may have but lets just pretend I don't for a second. I don't think through my values, not in an organised way. I think a lot of that is hidden from me. Until you step on a trip wire, that sometimes I was even unaware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    I think we are as inwardly stiff as they are outwardly stiff (lol), we look to control the inner world and they look to control the outer world, I'm sure of it.
    yeah, i have thought of Fi as making decisions based on your internal feelings. how do i feel about this? i will base my actions on that.

    whereas Fe is more about considereing the feelings of the group, and making decisions that will harmonize with everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher View Post
    yeah, i have thought of Fi as making decisions based on your internal feelings. how do i feel about this? i will base my actions on that.

    whereas Fe is more about considereing the feelings of the group, and making decisions that will harmonize with everybody.
    I think you are right and in that way Fi and Ti are similar. Personally, I don't organise how I feel, at least not at a conscious level. If there is somewhere that is not congruent I'm made aware of it. It is not a constant thing though.

    It is interesting that both Fi and Se are sometimes described as a gut feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    What does it mean to define yourself in terms of relational experiences?
    Define yourself by your experience with others?
    I think I define myself in some ways by the experiences I am able to create and have with others. But there is more than that. Ultimately, I see myself as separate, working on the experience.
    Meh, you're asking a T what F means...

    Well, if it is like others have said, that Ti and Fi are similar, how about this:

    Since Ti primarily interacts with relationships between concepts, how about Fi interacting with relationships between emotion (or, I guess, mental events?)? By the way, I think interpersonal relationships are somewhat more Fe related. I also think it a bad idea to ignore your inner-self when thinking about Fi. It is Introverted Feeling, after all.

    To expand a bit:
    I guess Ti and Fi both have to deal with consistency, but Ti seeks consistency in thoughts, whereas Fi seeks consistency in ethics (things that should, or should not be).
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    I would join in, but I seem to have an extreme lack of Fi. So once I figure out what I am missing I will let you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher View Post
    yeah, i have thought of Fi as making decisions based on your internal feelings. how do i feel about this? i will base my actions on that.

    whereas Fe is more about considereing the feelings of the group, and making decisions that will harmonize with everybody.

    Yeah. Fi is tricky to define. This above makes sense to me. Although, then wouldn't everyone have a high Fi? How else does someone make decisions? Who goes against their internal feelings about a specific situation?

    Does having Fe mean that ultimately you are sacrificing your own wants for the greater good? Is Fe like Communism?

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    The best person to describe this to you would be an ISFP since they are simultaneously Fi dom and an SP.

    However, I am an Fi dom who has been very close to an ISFP, and of course our experience of Fi is slightly different - that's part of Fi. Fi isn't the same for everyone, because Fi is about individual passions and strongly held values unique to the individual.

    Both of us are very passionate people who have a strong, stubborn attachment to our own value systems. We are both very physically affectionate, romantic, and moody.

    He is a text-book ISFP in that he is very artistically inclined, and I think his Fi blended with Se shows nicely in the fact that he's captivated by the idea of visual and auditory stimuli causing people to have profound emotional experiences. He is simply very Fi in prioritizing being "real" and "true to himself."

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    The best person to describe this to you would be an ISFP since they are simultaneously Fi dom and an SP.

    However, I am an Fi dom who has been very close to an ISFP, and of course our experience of Fi is slightly different - that's part of Fi. Fi isn't the same for everyone, because Fi is about individual passions and strongly held values unique to the individual.

    Both of us are very passionate people who have a strong, stubborn attachment to our own value systems. We are both very physically affectionate, romantic, and moody.

    He is a text-book ISFP in that he is very artistically inclined, and I think his Fi blended with Se shows nicely in the fact that he's captivated by the idea of visual and auditory stimuli causing people to have profound emotional experiences. He is simply very Fi in prioritizing being "real" and "true to himself."
    I feel a need to argue that Fi in regards to function is not different for everyone. It is the Si/Ni and Se/Ne that is different. Its fed not only different data from the same situation it is compared to different data from past situations.

    So you are both driven by feelings. To me that would be Fi in this case. Now what drives those feelings and in what direction it drives them is based in everything we have seen in life.

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