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    Default Any other creative SPs tired of all artists, musicians, writers being typed as Ns?

    Well?

    It just doesn't seem possible... or likely.

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    I thought the idea (at least according to Keirsey, who I've mainly read) was that definitely visual artists and musicians, and a lot of writers, were likely to be SPs. Writing was supposed to be maybe more of an NF thing, but there's no monopoly.

    I work in publishing, and I love books and read very widely across a lot of genres. I'd say a lot of poets would be likely to be NFs. I think Keirsey said that INFJs were likely to be skilled at "complex aesthetic writing". But a lot of other writers could easily be SPs or NTs (not so sure about SJs.)

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    On here? I don't pay much attention to who was typed as what, people will argue till they're blue in the face. Think what you want to think, nobody really knows anyway.

    I've got a list of SP in my head and that's where it'll stay.

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    Yeah, on here. I know, you are right (about thinking what I want to think, etc). Still, it just kind of irks me, especially when, for example, personality theorists like Keirsey and Thomson consider musicians typically to be ISPs but the lists people put up on here, practically everyone (they hypothesize) is an N. That's all.

    I'm not trying to piss anyone off, mind you, just pointing something out. And trying to understand where the N mania arises from.

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    It's not N mania.

    It's simply that people assume creativity = N.
    And everyone wants to be seen as creative.

    But that is not what iNtuition is.

    To be honest, most of the really good musicians I know are all SPs. Why are they good? Because they adapt easily, and they like variety, and they like to play all the time (e.g. unstructured but continual practice), and they like to listen to what others have done and learn how to copy it and then take it someplace new and fun. SPs love to immerse themselves in the experience, and this is great for a live-performance artist.

    Same thing with the physical arts (dance, sculpture, painting, etc.)

    I think N's usually get handpicked as representative of "artists" simply because their performances are more likely to really veer into something new and different, so they stick out more... they are more likely to transcend the medium and make it something else, whereas the SP artists are more apt to be the best you can be within the bounds of the medium, more than other types find themselves capable of. While I sit around imagining and thinking about art, these guys are actually doing it and so often they can be "better" than the N who is imagining things but not practicing and doing.
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    Yes, I think a lot of SFP artists get labeled as N here. Which is weird to me because some of the best artists I know in real life are ISFPs. ISFPs, in particular, always stuck out to me as one of the most unique and creative types. I think many have a good handle on intuition, which trips some people up when typing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    Yes, I think a lot of SFP artists get labeled as N here. Which is weird to me because some of the best artists I know in real life are ISFPs. ISFPs, in particular, always stuck out to me as one of the most unique and creative types. I think many have a good handle on intuition, which trips some people up when typing.
    Intuition and experience are often similar -- get enough experience under your belt and you can learn to "recognize" patterns and access old ones you've experienced before. It looks like intuition, but intuition is really more of "jumping into space believing you'll be okay" without having been in a similar situation before, whereas experience is "jumping into space knowing you've done similar things or experienced similar things before and they worked, so this'll work too."

    (And of course, it's not that clear cut -- people use all their skills, not just exclusively S or exclusively N.)

    In any case, if there is anything SPs acquire, it is experience.

    ISFP jazz musicians totally rock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    ISFP jazz musicians totally rock.
    Isn't that an insult to jazz musicians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Intuition and experience are often similar -- get enough experience under your belt and you can learn to "recognize" patterns and access old ones you've experienced before. It looks like intuition, but intuition is really more of "jumping into space believing you'll be okay" without having been in a similar situation before, whereas experience is "jumping into space knowing you've done similar things or experienced similar things before and they worked, so this'll work too."
    The bolded is something the SPs I know do a lot of, probably more than I do.

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