My two cents worth on being a creative N... My inspiration for everything I do comes from an internal locus. Rarely will I ever see something from nature or outside that will serve as an inspiration. Perhaps an exhibit at MOMA or a modern art photograph. But almost always from my own head. I think S inspiration tends to come almost always from external means....
I think creatively others tend to be more impressed when someone can take an object an reproduce it exactly as though it appears to the human eye. Frequently these tend to be life-like paintings, drawings, elaborate metal working, etc, etc....I tend to be impressed by these myself. This tends to be the provenance of S, I think. I can't do this.... I must take everything from a map inside my head, whether I am designing a room or a painting. To me, this is the largest difference between N and S creativity. I just really think one is not better or worse than the other, they are just very different based on the point of inspiration.
Even as a child I had a hard time just making something up from my imagination. I always had to ask others what to draw. I did make a few characters of my own, and had an entire page filled with random "weird creatures" with various combinations of tails, bug wings and antennae, some furry, some smooth-skinned. But they were all just mixtures of basic shared elements.
-stellar renegade coo-oo-ooool this madness down,
stop it right on tiiiiime!
Yes, I think a lot of SFP artists get labeled as N here. Which is weird to me because some of the best artists I know in real life are ISFPs. ISFPs, in particular, always stuck out to me as one of the most unique and creative types. I think many have a good handle on intuition, which trips some people up when typing.
Someone posted something once about people using their third function as a creative process. ISFP's (in this case) tertiary is Ni, so I think that could be part of why they get typed as N.
Rather than you realize Jay-Z and the majority of rapper/hip-hop artists are SP,
you dared to suggest I was racist for disagreeing with your insane suggestion, that Jay-Z was ENTJ.
Okay, Jay-Z I definitely don't think is an SP, even if other hip-hop artists are.
Originally Posted by LadyJaye
I don't get it either. Not that there aren't N artists, because there are plenty, but most of the artistic types I really find compelling are SP's. like Likki Li ( hope I spelled her name right), Stevie Nicks, Sade, Cyndi Lauper, Elvis Presley, ... I think you guys have a way of taking hold of your external environment with a creative hand and turning it into something lovely.
I love Sade...what type do you think she is? ISFP maybe?
Originally Posted by stellar renegade
Hm, I think MBTI tests and some explanations have given the impression that "S" is all about experience - but I wouldn't say that. Se seems to be more about the moment. We SPs tend to forget the past and forego experience for new experiences we've never had before.
That's been my experience ().
Originally Posted by stellar renegade
In fact, I'd probly say that most artists who venture off in a completely new vein are SPs. I think N artists are way rarer than S ones. Not that they can't hack it, but...
I do know a good deal of SFP artists, but it's probably best not to generalize artists [that go off in a completely new vein]. People are individuals, and there's plenty of variation within type. I think Ns can make superb artists as well.
My ISFP friend and I are both painters, but it seems to me that being an artist means something different to each of us. It seems as though the primary enjoyment she gets from painting is in the actual object of beauty she has created. For me, the primary enjoyment comes out of the various concepts that I am exploring through my art. I am more of an experemental artist than she is but she is very creative within the particular niche she has created for herself. I don't think either approach makes one of us a better or worse artist than the other. We are just very different.
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
~ Groucho Marx
I thought the idea (at least according to Keirsey, who I've mainly read) was that definitely visual artists and musicians, and a lot of writers, were likely to be SPs. Writing was supposed to be maybe more of an NF thing, but there's no monopoly.
Most painters are SPs. Musicians are often SPs too, though composers are more likely to be NTs or NFs. Many cool movie directors on the other hand are said to be SJs.
I'll be a traitor (of Intuitive mother land ) and post some SPs here (according to Russian socionics official sites)
A. Dumas ISFP
Kevin Spacey ISFP
Drew Barrymore ESFP
Goldie Hawn ESFP
Elisabeth Taylor ESFP
Barbara Streysand ISFP
Elvis Presley ESFP
Britney Spears ESFP
Since I started, I'll post couple Couple SJs as well:
Leonardo di Caprio ISFJ
John Travolta ISFJ
Michelle Pfeiffer ISFJ
F.S. Fitzgerald ISFJ
T. Dreiser ISFJ
J.D. Salinger ISFJ
Okay, that's socionics, though, so it's all screwy, non, Happyman? ISFP=ISFj or some such thing?
Stellar renegade, yeah I would agree with what you said- all of it. I need something real as a starting point in my creations, then I can veer off into what is internal, and that's when it gets original. Also, I am all about jumping into new experiences, believing I'll be okay. I think that's one of the pros (and cons) of being an SP- since we live in the moment, we typically forget that there are consequences to our actions. (Sorry Jennifer. I thought a lot of what you said was good. )
Especially: we are not all sensing or all intuiting. As an ISFP who's been typed as an N countless times I know I use my intuition plenty- especially Ni. (When I do cognitive functions tests I come out Fi Ni Se Ne.)The Ni seems a bit more contrived, though, like I have to focus on it more for it to happen, while the Se just happens.
Also, I think my dominant function, Fi, is what really gives me the urge to be creative, not the Se. I suspect it's the same for INFPs.