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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    If you're of any kind of importance or interest, unless you're a complete arse, you're an N.
    That certainly isn't my viewpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Intuition and experience are often similar -- get enough experience under your belt and you can learn to "recognize" patterns and access old ones you've experienced before. It looks like intuition, but intuition is really more of "jumping into space believing you'll be okay" without having been in a similar situation before, whereas experience is "jumping into space knowing you've done similar things or experienced similar things before and they worked, so this'll work too."

    In any case, if there is anything SPs acquire, it is experience.
    What you're saying here is really resonating with me... Like, word for word this fits the bill for me. Along with past suspicions and going back and reading the SP temperament and what being utilitarian and non abstract in communication means... I'm being convinced very quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley View Post
    The bolded is something the SPs I know do a lot of, probably more than I do.
    I also relate a good bit to this and was coming to this conclusion in my head when I read Jennifer's post.

    Yay derail.
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    YES. Look at my Mike Patton thread.

    It's my contention that he's an ISTP, and yet even Sensors are showing up saying "lol no he can't be S cause he's smart and creative and self-aware!"

    Ridiculous. Half the time you see someone arguing for some celebrity being an N it's based on this bias that Ss can't be smart or talented.

    A friend of mine typed her computer programmer mom as ISFP because she doesn't think her mom is smart and thought Ns can't be stupid. Upon meeting this friend's mom it was obvious she was a clear INFP, but noooo, Ss can't be smart and Ns can't be stupid, apparently.

    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Half the time you see someone arguing for some celebrity being an N it's based on this bias that Ss can't be smart or talented.

    You started a whole thread making an insane claim that Jay-Z is ENTJ.
    The gall of you coming in this thread is astounding.

    Rather than you realize Jay-Z and the majority of rapper/hip-hop artists are SP,
    you dared to suggest I was racist for disagreeing with your insane suggestion, that Jay-Z was ENTJ.

    Just because people refuse to agree with you, doesn't make them racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    It's not N mania.

    It's simply that people assume creativity = N.
    And everyone wants to be seen as creative.

    But that is not what iNtuition is.

    To be honest, most of the really good musicians I know are all SPs. Why are they good? Because they adapt easily, and they like variety, and they like to play all the time (e.g. unstructured but continual practice), and they like to listen to what others have done and learn how to copy it and then take it someplace new and fun. SPs love to immerse themselves in the experience, and this is great for a live-performance artist.

    Same thing with the physical arts (dance, sculpture, painting, etc.)

    I think N's usually get handpicked as representative of "artists" simply because their performances are more likely to really veer into something new and different, so they stick out more... they are more likely to transcend the medium and make it something else, whereas the SP artists are more apt to be the best you can be within the bounds of the medium, more than other types find themselves capable of. While I sit around imagining and thinking about art, these guys are actually doing it and so often they can be "better" than the N who is imagining things but not practicing and doing.
    Exactly this; well-expressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    Yeah, on here. I know, you are right (about thinking what I want to think, etc). Still, it just kind of irks me, especially when, for example, personality theorists like Keirsey and Thomson consider musicians typically to be ISPs but the lists people put up on here, practically everyone (they hypothesize) is an N. That's all.

    I'm not trying to piss anyone off, mind you, just pointing something out. And trying to understand where the N mania arises from.
    I don't get it either. Not that there aren't N artists, because there are plenty, but most of the artistic types I really find compelling are SP's. like Likki Li ( hope I spelled her name right), Stevie Nicks, Sade, Cyndi Lauper, Elvis Presley, ... I think you guys have a way of taking hold of your external environment with a creative hand and turning it into something lovely.

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    Best artist on the world and definitly ISFP, even met him in person once and had a beer:

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9L802jY7c"].[/YOUTUBE]

    Dont let yourself down by dumb people, there are many stereotypes flieing around since the invention of mbti and that's part of why I will never become a fan of the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Intuition and experience are often similar -- get enough experience under your belt and you can learn to "recognize" patterns and access old ones you've experienced before. It looks like intuition, but intuition is really more of "jumping into space believing you'll be okay" without having been in a similar situation before, whereas experience is "jumping into space knowing you've done similar things or experienced similar things before and they worked, so this'll work too."

    (And of course, it's not that clear cut -- people use all their skills, not just exclusively S or exclusively N.)

    In any case, if there is anything SPs acquire, it is experience.

    ISFP jazz musicians totally rock.
    Hm, I think MBTI tests and some explanations have given the impression that "S" is all about experience - but I wouldn't say that. Se seems to be more about the moment. We SPs tend to forget the past and forego experience for new experiences we've never had before. In fact, I'd probly say that most artists who venture off in a completely new vein are SPs. I think N artists are way rarer than S ones. Not that they can't hack it, but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    You started a whole thread making an insane claim that Jay-Z is ENTJ.
    The gall of you coming in this thread is astounding.

    Rather than you realize Jay-Z and the majority of rapper/hip-hop artists are SP,
    you dared to suggest I was racist for disagreeing with your insane suggestion, that Jay-Z was ENTJ.

    Just because people refuse to agree with you, doesn't make them racist.
    Yeah that's called a joke, buddy. Good read.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    That certainly isn't my viewpoint.

    Of course not; if we wanted your viewpoint we'd have to change that "N" to a "J."

    (That's a joke, too, by the way.) I'm big on deadpan, as are many TPs.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    I'm just tired to see an ISTP like Frank Zappa typed as an INTP.

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