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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    I must admit that I am a bit partial to the Best Fit type descriptions because they are uniquely written, not by an author, by interviewing people who have determined their best fit types. I would think that distinguishing ESFP from ESTP should be quite easy. Although the ENTP and ESFP may share the “Get Things Going” interaction style, ESTP will look more like ENTJ.
    I really like the Undertanding Yourself And Other Series. These are the same discritptions they have in those books (the 16 personality type book in particular, I think).

    It actually seems like the words used have meaning instead of being some conglomoration of traits. It really helped me pick out my type.

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    I think it is very hard to distinguish an ESFP from an ESTP. As far as conning people goes yes I have done it before, but I feel bad about it. But marking up an item I have bought I've done many a time and have no problem doing it. They are the ones buying it for the price. I'm not stealing their money, and I'm not forcing them to do anything. I used to buy old cars, spruce them up and sell them for more. There is nothing dishonest about being able to market a good and sell it. But outright conning someone is an ESTP thing. Like just lying and stealing someone's money. I feel bad about doing things like that. But an ESTP genuinely believes that he did nothing wrong. Think John Gotti "I want a special court room and hospitality because I'm famous". The difference is small at times. But an ESFP is MUCH more tactful and considerate of people's feelings are we are by nature more diplomatic than ESTP's even though our jokes can cause people to think otherwise. Basically from my knowledge (not great) an ESTP truly believes the world should cater to his every need and has NO compunction about letting people know this wheras the ESFP just wants to be popular and have fun although sometimes at other's expense.

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    Tell me again how ESFPs don't like to hustle?

    The difference I think is that an ESTP can come off as a bastard when he hustles someone -- he tends to be more direct and hard and abrasive, even when he is being "slick." You know you're being worked over, even if you can't explain why, and at some level you might resent it because you know you are the "loser." The ESTP puts himself up by putting you down and conquering you.

    ESFPs are much more likely to hustle people by truly winning them over. Even if you know their intentions, you still like them and do not feel nearly as much resentment, like there was a contest going on and you "lost." They're softer and more engaging on a personal level.
    Completely agree with your assessment.

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    In the other thread you mention he doesn't have a real job and hustles people. He's an ESTP.

    My dad is an ESTP and he constantly talks about things he did where he feels like he exploited someone or something. It's an unmistakable pattern that is common to all EXTPs, but particularly ESTPs.
    Totally disagree. ESTPs have a core need for respect, from others and to others. This is evidenced in paragraph below from bestfittype.com:
    For them, team relationships are about having mutual respect. If they can’t respect the other people on the team or the person who commissioned the team, there is no relationship. If they don’t respect a teammate, they will dismiss him or her. Trustworthiness in team relationships is also very important so that they can disagree and still be colleagues. Another key to team relationships for them is absolute autonomy and independence. Constraints and limits are seen by them as challenges to work around, but constantly fighting constraints wears on them after a while and such restraints seem to indicate a lack of the respect they insist on. They easily get teammates to follow along—get them to do what they want, communicating a sense of camaraderie. They are comfortable working either together as a team or individually. Although they know feedback is good for them, they usually don’t like it.
    I think we have all given the type a bad rap based on descriptions. In particularly, the typelogic.com and Keirsey descriptions show them to be cons, when Jung specifically made that claim toward Ni and Ne users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    Totally disagree. ESTPs have a core need for respect, from others and to others. This is evidenced in paragraph below from bestfittype.com:
    I think we have all given the type a bad rap based on descriptions. In particularly, the typelogic.com and Keirsey descriptions show them to be cons, when Jung specifically made that claim toward Ni and Ne users.
    In my father's case, getting the upper hand over people is how he garners the respect he desires. I have often heard him declare, "I am the Big Spoke in the Wheel!". "I am the best!" He thinks he's important. In his circles, he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    In my father's case, getting the upper hand over people is how he garners the respect he desires. I have often heard him declare, "I am the Big Spoke in the Wheel!". "I am the best!" He thinks he's important. In his circles, he is.
    Do you see your dad as a hustler and someone who enjoys exploiting others? I have always pictured the type as the greasy used car salesman, but now I don't see that. I think ESTPs have a high regard for mutual respect. On another note for the ESTP types, I have heard that your family members may mistype ESTPs as having introverted tendencies (not necessarily as being introverts). A prime example is FDRs daughter stating that he was very introspective at home and enjoyed solitude. Can you confuse yourselves as introverts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    Do you see your dad as a hustler and someone who enjoys exploiting others?
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    Yes.

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    Wow! Then maybe I should be asking ESTPs if they see themselves that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    My father has always been very blunt and sometimes mean with his words.
    He insists on being the boss and not involving other people in making decisions.
    My INFP sister thinks my father is an F, but I don't see it.

    I would like to know how to tell the 2 types apart.
    That actually sounds ENTJ to me. Contrary to belief ESTJs find humor in those who have to lead and ESTPs are either leaders or loners, but they don't insist on leading or dominating. In fact if healthy, they prefer not to lead because it creates obligations that they choose to forego in the name of freedom. I am curious to all who purport to know ESTPs, have they actually validated their types or are these opinions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    That actually sounds ENTJ to me. Contrary to belief ESTJs find humor in those who have to lead and ESTPs are either leaders or loners, but they don't insist on leading or dominating. In fact if healthy, they prefer not to lead because it creates obligations that they choose to forego in the name of freedom. I am curious to all who purport to know ESTPs, have they actually validated their types or are these opinions?
    My father is an SP. I described him within the confines of SP type.

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