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    I ramble constantly. Mostly it's "train-of-thought" rambling about something on my mind, though, not rambling about an academic subject. And I'm more talking to myself to figure things out, rather than explaining to an audience. Usually I don't talk about the things I know a lot about because not many people know/care about them.

    Also (@ Schizm) I am very interested in psychology (is anyone here not?), for the record. Math is not an area of interest for me though.

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    My ISTP buddy does it too. But I like that he does. Takes the pressure of me to do the talking for a change.

    Sometimes other people say he's rambling, but I can follow him quite clearly and he's actually talking quite a lot of sense. I think a lot of people just have very short attention spans, and he's a bit less aware of that than I am (and so forgets to change subject/angle/point once every 2 minutes or so), or maybe he just forgets to look out for the cues and prompts, and to vary the pitch and intonation of his voice, use hand gestures and inject jokes etc, which is what others have said are the differences between why his rambles are usually boring and mine are funny and entertaining.

    Very hard to put that across without seeming egotistical... but what I mean is that whilst I'm very definitely telling everyone what I'm thinking, and communicating to them being my main object (and so I'm always on the lookout for signs as to whether people are engaged and ready to change tack at a glance) - he, once he gets started, is more like thinking aloud, almost talking to himself, as if he forgets the other people are there once he starts to pick up speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Very hard to put that across without seeming egotistical... but what I mean is that whilst I'm very definitely telling everyone what I'm thinking, and communicating to them being my main object (and so I'm always on the lookout for signs as to whether people are engaged and ready to change tack at a glance) - he, once he gets started, is more like thinking aloud, almost talking to himself, as if he forgets the other people are there once he starts to pick up speed.
    That is a good way to say it. Unless someone either naturally scans the crowd for signs of involvement or learns how to do so with practice, what happens is that the person is really "thinking out loud" and allowing others to overhear that process as it unfolds. They are caught in the grips of the logic/idea and articulating it, rather than seeking to communicate the idea per se to a specific audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    That is a good way to say it. Unless someone either naturally scans the crowd for signs of involvement or learns how to do so with practice, what happens is that the person is really "thinking out loud" and allowing others to overhear that process as it unfolds. They are caught in the grips of the logic/idea and articulating it, rather than seeking to communicate the idea per se to a specific audience.
    Yes... it becomes a lecture rather than a seminar... a monolgue rather than a conversation. Along with the monotone and general lack of animation/passion, it's no wonder people get bored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizm View Post
    I don't know but I find it interesting that you know an ISTP interested in those subjects.
    That'd be me too, FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Also (@ Schizm) I am very interested in psychology (is anyone here not?), for the record. Math is not an area of interest for me though.
    When my dad was in college, the psychology department tried to recruit him. He liked it and thought about it, but didn't want to take the pay cut since he was already working full time making good money.
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    do rants about things count as rambling???

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    do rants about things count as rambling???
    Haha yeah, my ISTP is a real champion ranter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizm View Post
    I don't know but I find it interesting that you know an ISTP interested in those subjects.
    Why would we not be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlnamedbless View Post
    Is it me or do ISTPs not talk all that often, and when they do, it's rambling?
    I have observed myself doing this, but no one has ever brought it to my attention. Since I work with Attorneys, I have been accused of putting too much information into my briefs. These are some of the challenges that ISTPs face when writing, which probably spill over to conversations on occasion:

    Tend to ramble and may have many more facts than needed but include them anyway.

    Wait until the last minute to begin then may have to postpone deadlines.

    Become so mired in facts, they may ignore the big picture.

    Focus on details so much that they are likely to ignore the reader.

    Have to be careful, especially in e-mail, where irony is often seen by the reader as sarcasm.

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