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    Quote Originally Posted by SahlainAnteth View Post
    ...I think that part of the nature of ISTPs is to live for our hobbies....
    Thanks for your input.
    I can definitely agree with your "hobby" statement!
    My son has been into skateboarding for a few years now.
    He wants to be a pro, but that's like wanting to be a pro anything,
    there are very few slots open.
    You have to be exceptional, or exceptionally lucky.
    He IS lucky.

    I'm starting to think we should help him try to find a sponsor.
    Sending him to school would be like putting money in the fire.

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    I have an ISTP son who doesn't know what he wants to do when he gets out of high school -
    besides become a pro-skateboarder, I mean.

    We're trying to direct him to a career choice that he will enjoy,
    and where he will also make good money -
    because that boy can burn through money!

    He has some electrical experience in helping his father.
    One night he came home, dirty and exhausted,
    and with a great big enthusiastic smile he declared,
    "Hey Mom! Guess what?! I almost got electrocuted 3 times!!
    I think there's enough danger and adventure in electricity where he could enjoy it.

    He hates reading and writing,
    so we're not sending him to a 4-year college.
    He's a kinesthetic (hands-on) learner.

    Anybody have any input?


    My husband barely passed high school and his family thought he would either take over his dad's mechanic shop or work at a gas station. They weren't too concerned because they were all farmers.

    2 weeks before he graduated a guy from DeVry showed up and he surprised everyone by packing up his suit case 3 weeks later and moving 1/2 way across the country to get an associates in electronics. DeVry got him a good job in the field and he's been an RF tech ever since.

    He's gotten some work towards a bachelor's over the years but he refuses to get it because then, "they'll force (him) to work all the time as an engineer." This way as a tech he gets his weekends off to play. Although he's only getting half the pay of an engineer, he's become invaluable to the company and makes a pretty decent living. He's survived a ton of lay offs that the engineers haven't been so lucky to escape.

    He still hates having a boss hanging over him (he has one of those right now) and he can't stand the endless meetings and paperwork his job requires, but he's the only one who knows where all the equipment is and how to get the best price for the equipment they need. He's now the lab manager and head tech who all the engineers know will get 'er done so he's got really great job stability.

    And the less you direct the faster he'll find his way. My ISTP will only dig his heels in deeper if he feels he's being led. Their biggest fear is the fear of losing autonomy and freedom. If they feel boxed in they explode.

    Oh, and although he's been known to rationalize the need for 4 computers in the house, he's over all pretty good with money . . . and maybe he'll meet a nice INTJ girl who will help run the finances! ; )

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    I know it's an old thread but, I thought it was interesting and was wondering how he's doing now that he's been out of HS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    My sister is an ISTP also and she's having the same issues your son is having about the direction of her life. Our family is basically learning not to pressure her and let her make her own decisions about what she eventually wants to do. It is a bit difficult though because she tends to float from job to job and we're worried about her having security and skills that can eventually stabilize her.

    The idea that she expresses most frequently about her career is that she doesn't want to have a boss hanging over her head. The job she's been most content with so far is field representative for two different companies. All she had to do is provide her own transportation. I think that position required her two greatest assets: troubleshooting with customers and freedom to make her own schedule. These type of jobs exist and they actually pay quite well. The downside is they're very high turnover/stress.

    Maybe your son can figure out what his best qualities are and find jobs (yes plural, he may not want to just do one thing) that align with what he naturally does best. My sis has a lot of different interests that she manages to capitalize on. She is cameraperson on the side and does amateur work for people's weddings and parties. It's quick and easy and she enjoys it. She also has an online store where she sells wholesale car audio equipment. I think she's very quick to seize on opportunities for herself and follow them up.

    You can also check out the Occupational Handbook to see what careers are available that he would enjoy and are not going to dead-end soon.
    I'm 30 and I'm just now maybe deciding upon my path. It's going to take a while for her. We like to dabble in a lot of things. It was very hard for me because I am female and I don't particularly like dealing with people. (Look at my OP in my blog link at the bottom of this post for more info) I've always been interested in working with my hands but it's somewhat intimidating to break into any sort of field like that because they are male dominated and it often takes an apprenticeship to get your feet wet unless you have connections in said industry or extreme determination to ingratiate yourself into it (generally hard for us to have this) it is very difficult. Be patient. Allow her to gain confidence and knowledge. She will find her way.

    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I'm a bit of an exception here, I think... but I can offer some generic advice.

    First, remember that type is a rather large bag - don't push him towards something based just upon type. In particular, the Ss span a gigantic range of interests and it could backlash if you push towards "what he is suited for" based upon that.

    In any case, I've noticed that ISTPs tend to prefer localized problem solving - trades is a good option. After that, it seems to break down into if they like working with their hands, how they feel when they finish something and how people orientated they are (ie: How S, how P and how IT). The ISTPs I know tend to like like building something, anything, just for the sake of building it. It could be a car, it could be a house... it could be a spreadsheet. A couple I know like doing helpdesk support (weaker T, I presume) simply because it lets them work a variety of problems in their field.

    The best advice is to get him into a whole lot of things. It's true that ISTPs are flighty, but at the same time they tend to find passions and really work on it. Offering a variety of options and letting them try them are good. I've found that an ISTP will take up engineering if it will let them skateboard better; but they won't do anything unless it is a means to an end... their end. Jobs are similar.

    Also remember that his reactions now are probably "teenagerish" - lack of boss, etc will probably tone down as the rebellion part ends. The trick is getting an hook into him - something that he can really associate with.

    Such good insight. Just want to second this. Big time.
    ~luck favors the ready~


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    Lots of good advice already on here. I particularly agree w/ the person that said help expose him to a lot of different things. We ISTPs are stubborn so if you push too hard, you may get rebellion. I think it is probably better to passively make suggestions or if he expresses an interest in something, be supportive. I am an ISTP - I have a LOT of very diverse interests; I am naturally very hands-on - anything to do w/ tools or making or fixing things with my hands I naturally excel at; I like sensory experiences; I am only interested in solving practical problems with real life applications; I can work endlessly on something I am passionate about yet will cut corners when I am not; I enjoy working with people who I think are smarter and better than me and have little respect for those who aren't. I have a B.S. degree in mechanical engineering so don't automatically rule out 4-year university just because of his type -- it is possible, but I think it would help to be majoring in something practical and if the real-world application is not real obvious as in a trade, that somebody explains the connection at the outset. I personally think I would have enjoyed trade school more.

    If he likes electricity, he might like being an electrician. This might involve studying at a community college or trade school then apprenticing under a licensed electrician so that he can get his license. He may also like welding, plumbing, construction, or another job working with machines. He may like cooking (I do).

    He may like mechanical engineering. He may be able to work for a sports company designing and/or testing skateboards, surfboards, skis, exercise equipment, or other products. Being interested in ME, he may become interested in materials science - skateboards are typically made out of wood but could be made out of composite materials as well. I also saw a video of someone who made a motorized skateboard for a senior design project. With a degree in engineering, maybe he could design sets for Cirque du Soleil shows or do special effects for movies or go on to host a TV show like Mythbusters.

    Speaking of TV shows, I am betting Mike Rowe on Dirty Jobs is an ISTP as his job is to get a taste of everyone else's jobs. He might also like working with food. I'd totally work for Ace of Cakes if I had the skill set.

    He may consider being a stuntman. A farmer. A pilot. A diver. Underwater welder. Photographer covering news, wars, sports, or controversial issues.

    I am reading a book called "Do What You Are" which is entirely about personality types and lists possible careers. I am also reading The Pathfinder which is a more holistic career book that your son may find useful one day.

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    ISTP's and cooking...haven't met one yet whether male or female who didn't know how or like doing it. There's got to be some, that don't?

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    I second:

    -Do not like having a boss; free spirited; absolutely detest micromanagement and rules
    -Living for hobbies; free time is worth more to me than money

    I enjoy reading and writing - reading because I learn new things, writing because I realized one day that it was a vital communication skill. I am pretty good at the latter (non-fiction or technical or critical writing, not fiction or creative writing). Maybe he will grow to like it as well.

    Going to a technical or trade school or community college to "sample" is a good idea. He could just sign up for whatever he is interested in and see where it leads him. If I didn't have a full scholarship to a 4-year university, this is what I probably would have done. If he can get decent scholarship money, he should take advantage of it. I think as a high school senior you have access to the most scholarship money. My BSME degree cost me little more than time, and it is nice to know that if my other pursuits don't work out I can always go to an engineering firm and get some kind of job that pays quite a bit more than minimum wage.

    If he LIKES math, do not rule out engineering. Math can seem like a load of theoretical crap in the beginning but once you get to partial differential equations it gets quite interesting and practical and starts explaining how things work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    ISTP's and cooking...haven't met one yet whether male or female who didn't know how or like doing it. There's got to be some, that don't?
    I don't like cooking 'cause it creates a mess and the portions always leave me eating the same food for WAY too long. A lot of food ends up going to waste 'cause I get tired of it or I can't eat it fast enough. I don't mind cooking when the food will get eaten tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmartinez84 View Post
    I don't like cooking 'cause it creates a mess and the portions always leave me eating the same food for WAY too long. A lot of food ends up going to waste 'cause I get tired of it or I can't eat it fast enough. I don't mind cooking when the food will get eaten tho.
    This is how I used to be until I moved in w/ my bf. Sometimes I'll cook for family or friends, like Thanksgiving or Xmas so I get to make a bunch of stuff without having to eat it for weeks and everyone shares in some of the clean up. I like trying new recipes because I like tasting new flavors and being exposed to different cultures through food.

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