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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    Thank you for this, because by Athenian's example A, it sounded like regular ol' Ti. So Ni will actually "see" those things happening? Like CSI?
    Well I'm not an Ni user so I wouldn't know exactly but the impression that I get is that part of Ni is like Ti except the middle processing part is completely hidden from the user. The final result comes to user and gives the Oh wow effect.

    It's not magical at all. The book called Blink talks about thin-slicing and predicting stuff based on limited information, but there's alot of processing going on in the background. I'm a heavy Ti user but I've never really had this flash of insight moments coming from no where that NJs keep on talking about. I might be surprised by results, but I'm always conscious of how I got to my conclusion.

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    Someone tells you a long story. However, the part where they talked about what they did after the club sticks out as 'odd'. You know with certainty there is a problem with this part of the story, but are not sure what it is. So you start picking at it with questions to try and either pull the lie out or make everything properly fit together again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    Well I'm not an Ni user so I wouldn't know exactly but the impression that I get is that part of Ni is like Ti except the middle processing part is completely hidden from the user. The final result comes to user and gives the Oh wow effect.

    It's not magical at all. The book called Blink talks about thin-slicing and predicting stuff based on limited information, but there's alot of processing going on in the background. I'm a heavy Ti user but I've never really had this flash of insight moments coming from no where that NJs keep on talking about. I might be surprised by results, but I'm always conscious of how I got to my conclusion.
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    I find my Ni is getting much better and I'm using it a lot more. I'd describe it as "how things are going to go based on x". So if you have a current situation you don't like, you can think of what you might do in that situation (that's more Se) and then Ni helps you determine what the outcome is going to be if you do x.

    A good use of Se and Ni together is in driving a manual transmission car (so many IsxPs drive stick for that reason). The Se helps you with the co-ordination and clutch feel and quickly getting to the catch point on a hill, for example). But then Ni helps you look ahead to road conditions to see what gear you should be in. I might look ahead to see if the next light is red or not. If it's red and has obviously been that way for a while (a few cars stacked up) then I may not gear to 4th. I might stay in 2nd and be light on the gas and I'll be in the right gear just as the light has turned to green and the cars ahead are starting up. Se and Ni are also great together in art, cooking, flirting with girls!

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    Will be doing an audio blog on a concrete example of the use of Ni in problem solving for you later tonight Jeff. Since I know you'd rather hear it then see a big page full of words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Ok, no offense but that's depressing. I mean, sure, you can see that a beautiful sign is supposed to give you that warm fuzzy welcome feeling, but all it is, is a wooden board with some letters on, but I prefer to recognize that as such and still go on enjoying the warm fuzzy feeling it invokes and dream about what else could be, enhancing said feeling
    Which would explain why you're an Ne dom and not Ni.
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    From an external point of view, Ni is looks like psychic ability--namely clairvoyance, and mind reading. I hope you've watched enough Sci-Fi/Fantasy to know what these things mean concretely.

    You gotta admit psych powers can be positive, even if it is just simulated psychic powers.

    Obviously, Ni users don't have real clairvoyance or mind-reading abilities. But their processing of experience makes it so they have amazing predictive powers.

    I know an infj that can understand the giberish of the most inarticulate of pepole...and an amazing ability to predict where people he knows are and why they are there...as well as what is going on in people lives without being told.

    This can also be bad, because even when they don't have the experience to predict well, they will still attempt to do so. But it is amzing how often it actually works.

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    Recently an ESFP at work told us a story about how she got gyped out of $1000 because she listened to this guy (don't really know the whole story, her telling was so brief). But she was just thinking about the money, and her grandma had told her mom two days before it happened that it would occur, and this girl still didn't listen.

    haha. Kinda amusing since I'd been studying up on this recently.
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    Here you go Jeffster...

    I hope it's understandable. I know science and chemistry isn't really your thing... but I think it's an illustrative example of Ni in action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    It's like if you go walking in the woods, and you just take in everything without thinking about it. The perception of your surroundings is Se, the peace and inward calm of your being is Ni. At least that's the way I look at it.
    Do you have a source on this one or are you just talking out of your ass? I have yet to read anything that says Ni is "peace and inward calm." In fact, it seems quite the opposite. By the first-hand accounts of Ni-dominant people in that "functions in real life" topic, it sounds like it is anything but peaceful and calm.

    It's like being willing to walk away from your rich mansion and hop out of your expensive sportscar right before it goes reeling off a cliff, or give away all your possessions to the poor and journey to a far-off land just for the heckuvit.
    Oh yeah, I totally relate to that. I'll get back to you later after I drive my sportscar back to my mansion.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Ok instead of my usual ridiculously exaggerated technical jargon brain fart for comic meta-effect, I'll just try to explain Ni...
    Nice.

    It's basically being able to step out of your bubble and think about the underlying values that drive personal interactions. (That's only one part of it, but I'm trying to give a real example.)

    When I'm having a strong Ni moment, I realize that, excepting truly mentally retarded people, no one is actually stupid. Their value systems just differ from mine and I'm making a mistake when I assume that my value system is fundamentally superior.

    Honestly, you've already displayed pretty good Ni for a strong SP type just by being interested in typology and trying to understand all the different ways people think about the world that may differ from yours.

    Remember, nobody is actually stupid--their priorities are just really, really different from yours.

    Ni is hard to discuss in more concrete terms than that, unfortunately.
    None of that sounds like anything that can't be accomplished with just Fi and Se. My trying to understand people is a combination of two things - practical use for better communication with people, this involves doing a better job listening to what people say and actually, believing what they say about their own motivations, rather than projecting my own thoughts and feelings onto them. So, really, it sounds like the right thing to do is exactly the opposite of what has been described as Ni - where you make assumptions about the possibilities instead of paying attention to what is actually there.

    The other part of it is just that I like people and I find them fun to interact with. So once again, I'm not seeing this as an area where looking for hidden meanings or possibilities is something that's needed in any way.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    Remember that Asian mountains post? You saw the pattern and then exploited it to have an impact. Se/Ni.
    So, you think Ni is the only thing that can pick up a pattern? From what I have read, I disagree. Breasts as mountains is a Se-based metaphor. It describes the shape of what they look like, not anything mystical or hidden. I guess my feeling continues to be that this theory of everybody basically having the same stuff inside, just shuffled, is kind of a cop-out or an oversimplification of people. I think people were created to be different from each other for good reasons. Some people seem to think that to "develop", we need to become more like someone else. I don't agree with that notion.

    I guess this is why I continue to think David Keirsey is the best of the personality type gurus, because it seems he is the most accepting of the idea that it's okay for people to be fundamentally different - and not just like someone else turned inside out or upside down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Imagine that you're an overworked bank teller.....
    Ath, I really loved your bank robbery story, that was awesome. It didn't make me think Ni is something positive in any way, but it was exciting. I was sweating just reading it.

    Well, heck, maybe that is the positive right there. It can aid in storytelling. If I was a bank teller in that situation, my thoughts would definitely cross those areas of what I needed to do. But that would once again be SP-tactics at work, I wouldn't waste time thinking about what the robber might do, in fact spending time doing that might be exactly what got me killed. Situation like that, I'd be acting on pure instinct or possibly Si-based experience with a similar situation.


    Overall, so far, I think people are trying to force actions into a mold of Ni, rather than the other way around. I think the attitude of trying to make everybody fit into a symmetrical function order system is almost like giving a gold star to every student in school whether they get anything right or not. It seems to be trying to force similarities by bending the definitions to fit very different actions, such as those taken by an SP would be from an NF.

    Still reading for sure....thanks for all the replies.
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