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    Senior Member KarenParker's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Now that I think about it, economics and politics make perfect sense as a source of intellectual inspiration for an ESFP. There's an inherent understanding of the system as a set of interactions between people - that it is impossible to separate such things from their human element. I wonder, do you ever find yourself forming "attachments" to certain figures, such as a well known politician or say, Friedman or Keynes, in a somewhat personal way?

    I wonder if that's where some of the "ditz" stereotype comes from - it's not that you're unintelligent, it's that you've been so effective at negotiating the social landscape, because you have an inherent grasp of the skills and interactions necessary to make people like you, and form a large social circle. That's the practical reality of politics. You also understand the ability of all these individual actors to create a massive collective effect - that's the practical reality of economics.

    Or did I get this all wrong?
    Oh yeah that is exactly right! Now that I think about it, I think it might be two things. The first is that I had lived with an INTJ boyfriend for 6 years so we definitely influenced each other. The second thing is that I think I took my INTJ boyfriend's interests and tried to find them interesting in my own ESFP way. So for example, he was into political theory, which I found boring until I learned about the human side of it. I became interested not in the theory and math of economics but about collective human instinct and emotion and how it creates all of these problems and results in the world. I wish in public school they would have taught this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarenParker View Post
    I wish in public school they would have taught this way.
    I totally understand where you're coming from. It really makes me irritated when I think back to how math was taught then, which was a completely procedural fashion. It wasn't until very late in college that I realized that math beyond arithmetic was about relationships, having very little to do with the processes of arithmetic.

    My brain would get so bogged down in the procedural aspects, that I would never be able to understand the relationship that was supposed to be demonstrated. That reminds me of what you were saying about the particulars and theory.

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    lol, awwww, the cute little ESFP is studying economics! and is learning to say smart things! awww....

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    Dont you were forbidden to flirt in the SP forums ?
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    I've always thought of ESFPs as being just as intelligent as other types. Being around a few of them quite a bit, I've noticed they have the ability to pay a great deal of attention to detail and have no problem remembering it. ESFPs that I know can often be very factual and even insightful towards things that us Ns might sometimes overlook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Dont you were forbidden to flirt in the SP forums ?
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    PERSONALITY DOESN'T = INTELLIGENCE

    Seriously. Personality is more about how you act than anything, your general attitude.

    ESFPs often lose patience with study etc but that doesn't mean they can't be brilliantly intelligent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unique View Post
    ESFPs often lose patience with study etc but that doesn't mean they can't be brilliantly intelligent

    Thank you. I'm quite intelligent, but I usually get bored studying. I can only read so much before my head threatens to explode.
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    ^ i'm the same way..
    I have to rely on being smart and learning quickly to get by.. I can't study for too long.

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    Odd, I wouldn't find it out of the ordinary for an ESFp to have "intellectual" interests. My best friend is an ESFp/SEE type, and quite honestly, she can keep up with me just fine in a philosophical argument, when she wants to. My subjects of interest just don't hold her attention for long. Anything she's interested in though, she's very knowledgeable about. Also, whereas I feel a natural drive to observe, study, and just keep endlessly compounding my knowledge of a subject, she seems to feel one to gather and apply just what she needs on the fly, which is a far more practical form and expenditure of intellect. She's a very smart girl though, and of the two of us, it's actually her that continually sells herself short, and much to my dismay. From my self-absorbed perspective, the mere fact that I consider her special means she is a very special, worthwhile, and intelligent person, otherwise I wouldn't associate with her.

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