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    Default SP's and Se.

    I have to admit, I'm curious. There seem to be two ideas of what it is.

    The first is simply wanting to do things like try new foods, pay attention to and learn from your surroundings, seek physically stimulating experiences such as music, art, running/walking, and also just generally make the current environment comfortable. I seem to be able to deal with this one reasonably well.

    The other idea is wanting to get into fights, jump out of airplanes, climb mountains, make crude jokes, behave in a threatening, assertive manner, not respecting authority, and enjoy getting your clothes dirty. I don't really like this one at all.

    The thing is, I've heard both of these things as related to Se. Obviously they can't both be right. So, which do you identify with more? Both? Neither?

    It might also help if you described it the way you experience it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    The other idea is wanting to get into fights, jump out of airplanes, climb mountains, make crude jokes, behave in a threatening, assertive manner, not respecting authority, and enjoy getting your clothes dirty. I don't really like this one at all.
    I actually think all that is pretty fun.

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    The second one is sort of the first one taken more extreme. (An "If trying out new foods, cloths, etc. is boring, move on to risk taking for stimulation." sort of thing.)

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    *shakes head*

    Ss are supposed to not try new things like foods and such. Not that it is tested for that exactly in MBTI, but that's what it boils down to. That exact question exists as a measurement for O+ (N in MBTI).

    The traits that are tested in MBTI for being a S have only to do with what is accepted as data - concrete, experimental, traditional... that sort of stuff.

    What Se means is that to know, you must first see. It exists as data (Ses, least in the corporate world, are heavy planners and analyzers, for example), or the classic stereotype of jumping out of planes, if we must continue the stereotypes.

    The whole "getting into fights" is... how do you say... also a stereotype. These claims are correlations and they are constantly treated as a linear one, which they are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    What Se means is that to know, you must first see.
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    Se's tend to learn from experience. This desire for experiences, particularly from ESP's, can contribute to both good or bad behavior depending on what habits are formed. Beyond a certain age though I don't think SP's seek novel experiences to the extent that N's do. Rather they tend to repeat the experiences that they have already learned are enjoyable.
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    This is an example of what I think Se looks like. I think people tend to overlook the generous and warm-hearted nature of SPs (esp. ESPs). This is usually what I see, or rather what I choose to focus on so SPs typically don't leave a bad taste in my mouth.

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    The Toronto Sun reports the scruffy star was signing autographs outside his hotel when he spotted a homeless gent he'd met three years ago, when he was in town filming "A Home at the End of the World."

    Turns out Farrell had taken advantage of a radio promotion offering $2,000 to anyone who could deliver him to the station, collaring the guy -- nicknamed Stress by locals -- and helping him claim the bounty.

    The paper says his Irish eyes were a-twinkle at the reunion, and he urged his down-and-out acquaintance to climb into his chauffeur-driven car.

    Then, in a Bizarro version of the makeover montage from "Pretty Woman," Colin accompanied Stress to a Europe Bound Travel Outfitters outpost, which sells everything from clothes to tents.

    "Get him anything he wants," Farrell reportedly told the employees, who fetched his new pal a $500 coat, a high-end sleeping bag and a rolling backpack filled with underwear, socks and boots, all useful for the coming Toronto winter.

    "Cool guy," the store's manager tells the Sun of the actor. "He doesn't act like a movie star."

    According to the staffer, Colin had an easy rapport with Stress, who was "going around, grabbing stuff."

    The bill for the philanthropic shopping trip came to more than $2,000, but Farrell's beneficence didn't end there.

    He also hit a nearby cash machine, withdrawing a stack of bills and reportedly arranged to pay for a year's rent on a room for what we're now guessing is his biggest fan.

    "I'm all set up," Stress is quoted as telling a local. "This is my chance to get off the street."

    The paper estimates that Farrell's generosity set him back around $10,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    I have to admit, I'm curious. There seem to be two ideas of what it is.

    The first is simply wanting to do things like try new foods, pay attention to and learn from your surroundings, seek physically stimulating experiences such as music, art, running/walking, and also just generally make the current environment comfortable. I seem to be able to deal with this one reasonably well.

    The other idea is wanting to get into fights --note: I never actually do, I only want to--, jump out of airplanes, climb mountains, make crude jokes, behave in a threatening, assertive manner, not respecting authority, and enjoy getting your clothes dirty. I don't really like this one at all.

    The thing is, I've heard both of these things as related to Se. Obviously they can't both be right. So, which do you identify with more? Both? Neither?

    It might also help if you described it the way you experience it.
    I bolded all the ones I like. Why can't they both be "right"? The first set of activities sounds a lot more stereotypically female though, if it makes a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    *shakes head*

    Ss are supposed to not try new things like foods and such. Not that it is tested for that exactly in MBTI, but that's what it boils down to. That exact question exists as a measurement for O+ (N in MBTI).

    The traits that are tested in MBTI for being a S have only to do with what is accepted as data - concrete, experimental, traditional... that sort of stuff.

    What Se means is that to know, you must first see. It exists as data (Ses, least in the corporate world, are heavy planners and analyzers, for example), or the classic stereotype of jumping out of planes, if we must continue the stereotypes.

    The whole "getting into fights" is... how do you say... also a stereotype. These claims are correlations and they are constantly treated as a linear one, which they are not.
    Whoa, Pgat. You have mistakenly identified as one from the dark side (ISTP). I must agree with everythhing you are saying here. Se is no different than Ne for NPs, except Se seeks the immediate opportunities and Ne types look for possibilities.

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