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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Hi Luke, you definitely have more a of grip on the whole methodology and mechanics of personality typing than I do. I don't even really get the whole Fe Fi thing...it reminds me of the elemental table and I never memorized that either.

    I do have to say though, that the ISTJ and ENFP thing -- perhaps that is not going by MBTI but Socionics typing. My long time friend is an ISTJ according to MBTI and HAHAHAHAHAH hell no we could never be in a relationship. Her J gets much more prononuced and rigid as time passes (been a decade) and now she is constantly exasperated by me. That is the exact word. Exasperated. Like an overtaxed mother of a toddler or den mother of an unruly brownie troupe. She is so literal and so linear thinking, she totally puts a damper on my escapades! She even told me I need to see her therapist!!! Just because I told her about my latest romantic fling. I do help her relax and cut loose though.
    Well I dunno, maybe you do need to see a therapist.

    Si is one trait that helps you memorize lots of variables. In ENFP, it's weak but in the preferred category -- i.e. if you exercise it, or see someone using it, it will make you feel better. Your ISTJ friend is probably exasperated by your failure to listen to what her Si has to say.

    IJ types are actually less J than they seem and IP types are less P than they seem. ISTJ however is more S than they seem. J and S stereotypes overlap significantly, so probably that's what's getting to you. Si is very inflexible because the person does not want their physical world to undergo unnecessary change. They instead try to make life more comfortable and cozy. Ne types all crave this, because physical chaos distracts from their ability to make abstract observations.

    If you're ENFJ that would make ISTJ your conflicting type. (ISTP would be your dual in that case.) But I think more likely this is a dual you're talking about -- you've been friends for a decade, and it sounds like they are criticizing areas you could benefit from improvement on anyway (and vice versa -- at least duality is symmetric). Out of curiosity, have your relationships with ISTP types been more positive or negative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke View Post
    If you're ENFJ that would make ISTJ your conflicting type. (ISTP would be your dual in that case.) But I think more likely this is a dual you're talking about -- you've been friends for a decade, and it sounds like they are criticizing areas you could benefit from improvement on anyway (and vice versa -- at least duality is symmetric). Out of curiosity, have your relationships with ISTP types been more positive or negative?

    I've noticed that people of the same personality tend to be good critics of each other, especially ESTJs- I tend to listen to other ESTJs if they are being critical.

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    Yeah. I know I'm digging up old threads, but I needed some stimulation, dammit, and I just felt like hanging out in the Arthouse and just taking it all in.

    This thread is hilarious. And makes me want to fall in love again. Making me fall in love really only takes two things:

    1. Give me lots of attention
    2. Be awesome.

    One way of doing #2 is by doing #1. Other ways include giggling a lot, talking cute, twirling your hair, banging your head to the music, putting your bare feet up on the dash, singing happy songs, being goofy, putting your head on my shoulder, smelling nice, suggesting goofy activities, wearing tight colorful clothes, looking at me with wide eyes, complimenting my musical knowledge and overall awesomeness, giving me random little gifts (especially ones you made like made out of paper with markers and colors and writing on it that says stuff like "Special Jeff"), drinking a large amount of soda and then either belching loudly or saying "ahhhhhh" in a very refreshing way, doing jumping jacks or various cheerleader routines, watching movies with me, eating buttery popcorn and licking the butter off your fingers, spinning around in a circle until you're dizzy and falling down, giving me a back/shoulder rub, cleaning my apartment, cooking good food for me, making me a yummy smoothie, saying random stuff, calling me goofy names you came up with, sucking the spaghetti up into your mouth, playing video games, talking like Simpsons characters, talking and playing with my son, cutting my son's hair, jumping on a trampoline, wearing camo, kicking and punching the air like you're doing martial arts, actually doing martial arts, catching the rain with your tongue, eating an ice cream cone upside down, valuing life, praying with me, listening to music with me, whispering in my ear, going to waterparks with me in your hot swimsuit, playing beach volleyball, coloring, surprising me, letting me surprise you, smiling, laughing, holding my hand, winking at me, making up funny words, talking in weird voices for extended periods of time, giving gifts to strangers, riding the shopping cart down the aisle (wheeeeeeeeeeee!), spontaneously declaring a thumb war, making me breakfast, calling me on the phone to ask questions about stuff i know or just to tell me you were thinking about me, skipping, saying something would be better with nougat, writing my name on a balloon and giving it to me, going to church with me, introducing me to people, kissing me in random places, kicking your shoes off, pointing out my sexiness, stopping to feed squirrels, playing songs on the jukebox, eating hot dogs, cheering for our sports teams or Morgan's teams, listening to the radio with me, working out with me (preferably in awesome tight workout outfit), spelling words with the letters in your alpha-bits, wearing your hair in different cute ways, gently head-butting me in the chest, enjoying monster truck shows, telling me what's on your mind, crying when it's time to, letting me cheer you up, watching the sunset with me, giving me that look that says you can see deep into my soul and hear every bit of the light and the darkness and the fear and the insanity and the spirit and you still want to be with me as much as ever.

    So, yeah, it's not too difficult. There's so many ways, and so little time. Get busy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    I would think the ISFP would be the easiest to make fall in (and out of) love.
    No actually. Well not all of them anyway. Certainly not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OctaviaCaesar View Post
    Oh, I wanted to mention that ENFPs are the type that need affirmations the most--I know, my mom is one!--and ISFPs have to learn to respond to that need. Don't expect it to happen immediately! They present their love in more physical than verbal ways.
    Yuuup. Agreed. If you want verbal affirmation you might have to right out ask for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Yeah. I know I'm digging up old threads, but I needed some stimulation, dammit, and I just felt like hanging out in the Arthouse and just taking it all in.

    This thread is hilarious. And makes me want to fall in love again. Making me fall in love really only takes two things:

    1. Give me lots of attention
    2. Be awesome.

    One way of doing #2 is by doing #1. Other ways include giggling a lot, talking cute, twirling your hair, banging your head to the music, putting your bare feet up on the dash, singing happy songs, being goofy, putting your head on my shoulder, smelling nice, suggesting goofy activities, wearing tight colorful clothes, looking at me with wide eyes, complimenting my musical knowledge and overall awesomeness, giving me random little gifts (especially ones you made like made out of paper with markers and colors and writing on it that says stuff like "Special Jeff"), drinking a large amount of soda and then either belching loudly or saying "ahhhhhh" in a very refreshing way, doing jumping jacks or various cheerleader routines, watching movies with me, eating buttery popcorn and licking the butter off your fingers, spinning around in a circle until you're dizzy and falling down, giving me a back/shoulder rub, cleaning my apartment, cooking good food for me, making me a yummy smoothie, saying random stuff, calling me goofy names you came up with, sucking the spaghetti up into your mouth, playing video games, talking like Simpsons characters, talking and playing with my son, cutting my son's hair, jumping on a trampoline, wearing camo, kicking and punching the air like you're doing martial arts, actually doing martial arts, catching the rain with your tongue, eating an ice cream cone upside down, valuing life, praying with me, listening to music with me, whispering in my ear, going to waterparks with me in your hot swimsuit, playing beach volleyball, coloring, surprising me, letting me surprise you, smiling, laughing, holding my hand, winking at me, making up funny words, talking in weird voices for extended periods of time, giving gifts to strangers, riding the shopping cart down the aisle (wheeeeeeeeeeee!), spontaneously declaring a thumb war, making me breakfast, calling me on the phone to ask questions about stuff i know or just to tell me you were thinking about me, skipping, saying something would be better with nougat, writing my name on a balloon and giving it to me, going to church with me, introducing me to people, kissing me in random places, kicking your shoes off, pointing out my sexiness, stopping to feed squirrels, playing songs on the jukebox, eating hot dogs, cheering for our sports teams or Morgan's teams, listening to the radio with me, working out with me (preferably in awesome tight workout outfit), spelling words with the letters in your alpha-bits, wearing your hair in different cute ways, gently head-butting me in the chest, enjoying monster truck shows, telling me what's on your mind, crying when it's time to, letting me cheer you up, watching the sunset with me, giving me that look that says you can see deep into my soul and hear every bit of the light and the darkness and the fear and the insanity and the spirit and you still want to be with me as much as ever.
    Talking in weird voices for extended periods of time, lol, oddly enough, I do that, sometimes.

    "Pointing out your sexiness".

    lol

    Jeffster, you crack me up!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    The Fi is important. You both have it; you both will focus on values in a situation.

    [Example: I know in one situation with a close ISFP friend, his priority was who was getting hurt in a situation whereas mine was "what is the best long-term solution for everyone, regardless of feelings." This was typical. ESFPs can get flightly; ISFPs are more quiet and stable with their Fi, like INFP. Actually in some ways they can seem more stable, since N can cause a wild ride, while S is practical.]
    Yeah totally. With all the ISFPs I know they absolutely can't stand hurting people. Errr....hmmm well actually...for me (as an ISFP) I guess my approach is more like yours...like if my mom asks for my opinion on what she's wearing and what she's wearing is hideous I'll tell her (in a gentle way) even if it hurts her feelings a little because I wouldn't want her to walk out of the house like that which would be way worse than the tiny bit of unhappyness she'd feel when I tell her her outfit isn't flattering. But you are right...instinctively I'll focus on/gravitate towards simply the present emotional aspect of the situation and getting that to be the best possible and then if I see that it's a serious situation I'll step back and look at the best possible solution even if it means people get hurt a little in order for the best outcome...lol apparently what people wear is a very serious matter for me. =P I'd never not consider feelings though...I just couldn't do it...after all that's the whole point anyway...if the best solution won't make you feel the best in the end then it's not the best possible solution. The goal is for people to be the happiest they can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Talking in weird voices for extended periods of time, lol, oddly enough, I do that, sometimes.
    I know, I heard your rap.

    OH SNAP!

    "Pointing out your sexiness".

    lol

    Jeffster, you crack me up!!!

    Great post.
    I know. It was the best post EVAR since the last one I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFF View Post
    I don't know about male ISFP's, but I know how to get the female ones to fall in love with me.

    No, really, it's not bad. You just have to be really sweet to them.
    You got that right. Damn it!

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    wow, it's unfortunate that this thread is about 2 years old. I'm an ISFP and my girlfriend is ENFP and I could write an essay on how this ENFP made me fall for her :p

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