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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightyear View Post
    I am wondering too what attracts the ESTP specifically to the INFJ?

    I remember an ESTP I was attracted to but he accused me of being just no fun. (because I got bored of jumping from one sensory experience to the next, I like seeing and learning new things but there also needs to be some depth at some point or I get bored)

    What I like about ESTPs is their fearlessness, power of persuasion, calm in difficult situations and just their ability to deal with the real world so admirably. They definitely have some strenghts I sometimes wish I had.
    I know what attracts me to an ESTP is the playfulness; I love that laid-back attitude because it's so hard to achieve in myself alone. They make me laugh, and I don't have to feel like a bitch if I tell them they're stupid (at least once I get to know them) My ESTP has a wide range of interests, including a lot of theoretical stuff; it's nice to talk about a bunch of different things, but not get so deep into it -- it's interesting, but not heavy.

    I think my ESTP likes me because I ground him some; he told me that I needed to come home because he can't control himself as well without me (told me he was going to be an alcoholic chain-smoker by the time I got back). I let him take the lead, but I don't let him control me; it's a bit of a challenge for him, I think, and he loves that. He likes someone to share his quirks with, who won't judge him but doesn't dote on him either.

    Basically, it's a balance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duchessoftheshadows View Post
    Sending hugs to my recent aussie estp online buddy

    yeah Si is scary lol always wanting to know when exactly will we start dating (woah dude lol don't put a time table on feelings developing xD)

    Have you had experiences with Si doms? (scary if unhealthy huh?)

    That sounds like my kind of guy then hah not to clingy, not hell bent on getting to a certain point at at certain time Ex) the Si guy lol

    also wanted to know when we could actually start "dating" and also brought marriage up/ how many kids etc
    (woah that's what did it for me I flew so fast after that
    I still want to go school hello xD no kids no husband shoo I Just want someone who i can just "be" with lol I like to plan but he overdid it and appeared needy for the details. plan enough as it can this just be the one thing i run with and just enjoy getting to know the person (Si guy was too much/ sweet but too much)

    I going to have to find me a sweet estp ^^D but i'm open to anything lol .
    they sound more my style heh get me out of my Ni-Ti head lol hehe.
    I definitely like room to breathe and do my own thing I need to remember

    I'm my own person with my own interests, friends and i'd give that freedom back to the person i'd be seeing you know lol no guilt trips scouts honor it's the one thing (of the many heh) i distain guilt trips/manipulation bleh such a low behavior :steam: *clears throat* okay..sorry heh .

    Also need to be left to pursue my own goals as in I want a career/hobbies/friends of my own I don't want a guy expecting me to be housewife hehe it's not happening buddy too independent and of a free spirit for that heh. I'm figuring an ESTP would appreciate that too haha a women of her own lol not some clingy chick xD where were you *though i could see me asking this but not trying to control lol it's how i care heh*

    " don't fence me in" literally unless you want a grouchy person to come home to cause she's feeling trapped lol.(besides these days you need two incomes heh so it's wise lol)
    I have very few guardian (sj) friends, I gave up trying. They always end up disliking me then stabbing me in the back and over the most petty stuff... like woah chill man its not the end of the world... but to them... it is

    They call us the no gooders but is being unconventional and breaking from tradition when needed evil? I think not!!

    Why uphold something for the sake of upholding it even when its turned bad?

    Anyway as for getting out of your Ni Ti head you might not get away from Ti easy with an ESTP seeing how its our auxiliary function

    But Ti is amazing so no worries there

    ESTPs get a bad rep, especially around here but I have NO idea why :l

    Might be that people just think.. oh yay a place with Ns and people like me who aren't like my evil parents... that must mean that ALL S types are tradition hugging losers

    lol unfortunately us SPs get forgotten, that and we have the smallest voice on a forum like this as most of us are interested in getting out there and having fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unique View Post
    ESTPs get a bad rep, especially around here but I have NO idea why :l

    lol unfortunately us SPs get forgotten, that and we have the smallest voice on a forum like this as most of us are interested in getting out there and having fun
    We do get a bad rap, for sure, 100% agreed. Oh well, it is up to us, the good and virtuous of our kind, to discredit such folly.

    Since I am in an office environment and often waiting on huge queries to run being here is a nice escape. But if I were not in an office setting, I probably would be here a bit less as other SPs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unique View Post
    I have very few guardian (sj) friends, I gave up trying. They always end up disliking me then stabbing me in the back and over the most petty stuff... like woah chill man its not the end of the world... but to them... it is

    They call us the no gooders but is being unconventional and breaking from tradition when needed evil? I think not!!

    Why uphold something for the sake of upholding it even when its turned bad?

    Anyway as for getting out of your Ni Ti head you might not get away from Ti easy with an ESTP seeing how its our auxiliary function

    But Ti is amazing so no worries there

    ESTPs get a bad rep, especially around here but I have NO idea why :l

    Might be that people just think.. oh yay a place with Ns and people like me who aren't like my evil parents... that must mean that ALL S types are tradition hugging losers

    lol unfortunately us SPs get forgotten, that and we have the smallest voice on a forum like this as most of us are interested in getting out there and having fun
    oh my goodness yes i have two SJ's in my family and it's petty city lol and yes minor stuff gets blows way out of proportion heh.

    like me "going" back to school (i don't listen to them bleh) or having new interests...even a boyfriend(just an example lol) just very critical people heh.

    Also tend to do a divide and conquer thing which annoy's me especially since it's aimed at me alot now that the one that they use to do it on is on her own and out of their hair hehe (i'm aiming for this lol/ i hate the three their's, there or they're ) heh.

    It also seems whenever I start to have good things going for myself there threatened by it like getting a license/car/work/furthering my education etc.

    it seems for my mother though it's cause she cares but she needs to cut the cord already as mean as that may sound

    I can sympathize that yes she's a mother and her job is never done but she doesn't have a say if i'm doing something or not lol.

    sure does try to knock me down too i don't think it's ment to be conniving she's just afraid of change and I'm all let's rev this baby up .

    I personally think it's nice to break away from the same old same old so keep doing what you do ^^D.
    I have no problem with my Ti I actually i love it lol so it's all good with me but i do notice an analysis paralysis when i look up mbti/enneagram stuff if i'm conflicted lol/same in other areas too but wouldn't have it any other way .
    I think generalising (? spelling) is just not right you can't just assume it's limiting i never want to judge someone before i meet them unlike some people in my family (abit unhealthy SJ's/ they got there hearts in the right place though but there behaviors leave little to be desired or tolerated.

    But i'm trying to be more understanding of my mother's way hopefully with the MBTI/Enneagram she's a two lol no doubt hehe)

    It's unfortunate that people assume that just cause one person has preferences for s doesn't mean all share those ways of generalizations.
    It's not what the MBTI was made for it's to bring together to have better understanding of our differences and work together .

    I think Healthy SJ's and SP's rock i'm not going to judge based on one encounter or two (cough cough for the not so healthy SJ's i've found)

    I got the SP's back hopefully this forum will bring in the voice of the SP to this place and someone's got to have fun right? hahaha.

    I love SP's for there "live and let die" approach like "no sweat off nose" lol I need some of that especially with these SJ's that i live with not letting the sweat fall hehe *like my analogy unique ?*

    funningly lol I can relate to that as i have a pretty good relationship with my Se as it is a conscious function after all hehe just one of my last but believe me i use it it's there .
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    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
    (Carl Jung, Psychological Types, Chapter XI - Definitions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duchessoftheshadows View Post
    oh my goodness yes i have two SJ's in my family and it's petty city lol and yes minor stuff gets blows way out of proportion heh.

    like me "going" back to school (i don't listen to them bleh) or having new interests...even a boyfriend(just an example lol) just very critical people heh.

    Also tend to do a divide and conquer thing which annoy's me especially since it's aimed at me alot now that the one that they use to do it on is on her own and out of their hair hehe (i'm aiming for this lol/ i hate the three their's, there or they're ) heh.

    It also seems whenever I start to have good things going for myself there threatened by it like getting a license/car/work/furthering my education etc.

    it seems for my mother though it's cause she cares but she needs to cut the cord already as mean as that may sound

    I can sympathize that yes she's a mother and her job is never done but she doesn't have a say if i'm doing something or not lol.

    sure does try to knock me down too i don't think it's ment to be conniving she's just afraid of change and I'm all let's rev this baby up .

    I personally think it's nice to break away from the same old same old so keep doing what you do ^^D.
    I have no problem with my Ti I actually i love it lol so it's all good with me but i do notice an analysis paralysis when i look up mbti/enneagram stuff if i'm conflicted lol/same in other areas too but wouldn't have it any other way .
    I think generalising (? spelling) is just not right you can't just assume it's limiting i never want to judge someone before i meet them unlike some people in my family (abit unhealthy SJ's/ they got there hearts in the right place though but there behaviors leave little to be desired or tolerated.

    But i'm trying to be more understanding of my mother's way hopefully with the MBTI/Enneagram she's a two lol no doubt hehe)

    It's unfortunate that people assume that just cause one person has preferences for s doesn't mean all share those ways of generalizations.
    It's not what the MBTI was made for it's to bring together to have better understanding of our differences and work together .

    I think Healthy SJ's and SP's rock i'm not going to judge based on one encounter or two (cough cough for the not so healthy SJ's i've found)

    I got the SP's back hopefully this forum will bring in the voice of the SP to this place and someone's got to have fun right? hahaha.

    I love SP's for there "live and let die" approach like "no sweat off nose" lol I need some of that especially with these SJ's that i live with not letting the sweat fall hehe *like my analogy unique ?*

    funningly lol I can relate to that as i have a pretty good relationship with my Se as it is a conscious function after all hehe just one of my last but believe me i use it it's there .
    Yeah thats what my ex liked about me... except she had plenty of that herself being an ESFP so go figure

    Was pretty fun though lol was like taking a shower in Se

    As for Sjs... can't say I that many Sj friends... could be cause I really don't need more of them in my life than I already have with family

    I don't think they like me much anyway, I stand for everything they don't

    Life isn't hard
    Have fun
    Don't take things seriously
    If I want cereal at 10pm cause I felt compelled to I will
    Its a sock on the floor, not the end of the world CHILL OUT!!
    Don't expect things
    Tell the truth, be blunt don't sugar coat it
    No I won't work my ass off for you for my whole life to "retire" to the "good life"
    HELLO I'll either be old or dead!
    Enjoy life while your young
    Money is brilliant, make it and spend it, you were complaining about a sock? I can hire a cleaner

    That is all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unique View Post
    Yeah thats what my ex liked about me... except she had plenty of that herself being an ESFP so go figure

    XDDD how the experience of being around another Se dominant? interesting? boring perhaps cause same dominant?

    Was pretty fun though lol was like taking a shower in Se (weeee sounds fun funner then any other function to be honest truly just let go *sighs like i'm in a spa lol* )

    As for Sjs... can't say I that many Sj friends... could be cause I really don't need more of them in my life than I already have with family

    I don't think they like me much anyway, I stand for everything they don't (amen i wonder why I agree with so much of what you say it's got to be that estp and infj has all four functions in the top 4 just a different order. that's at least what i'm thinking heh. the chemistry of like mindedness could blow up this place xD)

    Life isn't hard
    Have fun
    Don't take things seriously
    If I want cereal at 10pm cause I felt compelled to I will
    (agreed lol)
    Its a sock on the floor, not the end of the world CHILL OUT!!
    (wow i don't know how many i have thought to myself i'm not going to lose it to a sock being on the floor if anything just pick it up and let it be lol there you gained five years of your life lol.)
    Don't expect things
    Tell the truth, be blunt don't sugar coat it
    (this is the most beautiful thing i've heard unique. other wise it feels like trickery if someone sugar coats.)
    No I won't work my ass off for you for my whole life to "retire" to the "good life" ( right have the good life now i like the way you think unique. how do i mail order for a unique )
    HELLO I'll either be old or dead! (yeah cause you worked your ass off so much you would have just cost all those years off of your life from burning out for "retirement" :rolli: SJ's seriously it's admirable but your missing so much don't change who you are though not saying that lol.)

    Enjoy life while your young (amen look to above cause before you know it your life passes you by and what do you have to show for it your degree bleh show me someone who has enjoyed every single moment as it was there last...that is more worth then anything. there is some quote around on the web about how when i die i want to come in sideways at 90 miles per hour clothes all torn up hair a mess, bruises everywhere yelling "woah that was one hell of a ride lol" into the coffin" as morbid as that sounds heh. I want that to be me seriously xDD always agreed with this even when i was teen/16ish.)

    Money is brilliant, make it and spend it, you were complaining about a sock? I can hire a cleaner (XDD yesssss...finally someone who understands me lol seriously some people don't really realize the moment is beautiful your going to waste the good vibes we have going on over something minor like a sock jeepers.

    That is all
    I feel ya on that family sj's are good enough xD.

    let me hug ya finally someone who has some insight about life and it's beauty.
    What is Feeling?
    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
    (Carl Jung, Psychological Types, Chapter XI - Definitions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duchessoftheshadows View Post
    i never thought about ESTP's admiring INFJ hehe but then you think about the anima/anumus thing maybe that provides mystery .
    lol well I'm one of those "gamer" ESTPs so a bit of a nerd

    But at the moment I'm loving the cartoon invader zim lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duchessoftheshadows View Post
    XDDD how the experience of being around another Se dominant? interesting? boring perhaps cause same dominant?
    Was just hard to recreate the night we met, nothing compared and everything just felt fake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duchessoftheshadows View Post
    (weeee sounds fun funner then any other function to be honest truly just let go *sighs like i'm in a spa lol* )
    Oh while it lasted yeah :P but its like adding fire to fire or water to water... or whatever you want to call it lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Duchessoftheshadows View Post
    (amen i wonder why I agree with so much of what you say it's got to be that estp and infj has all four functions in the top 4 just a different order. that's at least what i'm thinking heh. the chemistry of like mindedness could blow up this place xD)
    :] just how it is, glad you like it

    Quote Originally Posted by Duchessoftheshadows View Post
    (amen look to above cause before you know it your life passes you by and what do you have to show for it your degree bleh show me someone who has enjoyed every single moment as it was there last...that is more worth then anything. there is some quote around on the web about how when i die i want to come in sideways at 90 miles per hour clothes all torn up hair a mess, bruises everywhere yelling "woah that was one hell of a ride lol" into the coffin" as morbid as that sounds heh. I want that to be me seriously xDD always agreed with this even when i was teen/16ish.)
    yeah exactly, why not? its so OBVIOUSLY why life was designed to be short (under 90yrs)

    I've only got 7 more months of being a teenager and I'll make sure I live them up and my 20th will be even more amazing

    Satisfy yourself, smell the roses, LIVE, enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unique View Post
    Was just hard to recreate the night we met, nothing compared and everything just felt fake.

    Oh while it lasted yeah :P but its like adding fire to fire or water to water... or whatever you want to call it lol

    :] just how it is, glad you like it

    yeah exactly, why not? its so OBVIOUSLY why life was designed to be short (under 90yrs)

    I've only got 7 more months of being a teenager and I'll make sure I live them up and my 20th will be even more amazing

    Satisfy yourself, smell the roses, LIVE, enjoy

    yeah whatever it is it's awesome .

    yeah sometimes i wonder life is beautiful why make it so short but then i thought seriously if we lived on this earth any longer I think we would end up corrupted in some way. (just my opinion lol)

    that's the attitude your in the teens only once same for young adulthood so get out there and enjoy all there is to see...have fun don't let anyone take that away from you ^^D so much to experience.

    I read what you said and i took your advice and boy was it needed I took a nice shower/bath used my lotions that are calming etc

    I felt and feel like i'm finally paying attention to my Se which has been neglected. Been under abit of stress it's life right lol but i think what made aware that i need to seriously let my go was when i had really sharp pains in my chest yesterday not fun i had to breathe all shallow cause of how it hurt scary thing it was right at my heart area (i'm only in my extremely low 20's) i hated that anyway heh I'm better.

    I think it was Se saying hey you know I'm here and i'm being ignored "live in the moment and stop thinking about the future so much gawd...one day at a time heh" (xDD) then i read what you wrote and i just said you know what I'm not waiting to treat myself anymore I deserve it so thanks unique .
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    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
    (Carl Jung, Psychological Types, Chapter XI - Definitions)

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