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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Ooh. Can I guess then?

    It is Shemp?

    Uhhh...Tony Danza?

    Fozzy Bear?

    Theo from the Cosby Show?

    Roger Rabbit?

    Bill?

    Ted?

    The freckled-faced bully dude from King of the Hill?

    Tommy from the Smothers Brothers?

    The "GOOOOOOOOO RAIIIIIIIIIDERRRS" guy?

    Adam Sandler's character in Airheads?

    Bob Saget?

    Yogi Berra?

    The fat guy from Meatballs 4?

    Shemp?

    No wait, I said Shemp.

    Oh well, I give up. I'm just gonna assume it was Shemp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey_Peltast View Post
    The arts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    What is regarded as art is relevant to many factors like culture.. and is determined invidually through subjective evaulation. Going by those principles... art is subjective.. thus there is no point in defining the term art itself as if it was concrete fact... with directly definable criteria's, since it only needs a few loosely defined traits to pass(anything that can be practiced.. and honed by humans). Because it is ruled by the ambiguity of subjectiveness.

    What you are doing is saying "look.. my definition of art is better then yours..." which is projecting and presenting your own subjective definition as one would of concrete fact..

    Conclusion: Fallacy.



    Translation "Dude you suck ass because your subjective opinion conflicts with mine.. whine whine whine"

    Yes, art is subjective to a point, but if any individual can assert something as art, then the word has no meaning and is worthless. There is criteria that is NOT set by me which I briefly alluded to. That wikipedia article pretty much backs up what I said, which is not that there is a concrete set of standards, but a generally acknowledged areas of culture which fall under art.
    Yes, people use expressions such as "the art of such & such" but that is idiomatic for the most part, simply meaning something requires special skill.
    Not everything requiring special skill is art.

    I would say you and "the jeffster" wannabe-comedian are the ones whining about your subjective views of art not being the set standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    unnecessarily long post
    Not funny, insightful, or making any valid point, as usual
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post



    I already answered that in a previous post in this same topic. There are lots of other roles people fill that are not arts. Caretaking, inspecting, mentoring, enforcing, regulating, certifying, supplying, securing, solving equations...those are just a few examples of actions that are very important but not artistic.
    Couldn't any of these professions be considered an artform--where often you need to improvise due to unforeseen situations (aka being creative)--if we agree with your definition of "art"?

    As I say, I don't really care... but credit should be due where it's due if we're going to be so loose with the artist term!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    Yes, art is subjective to a point, but if any individual can assert something as art, then the word has no meaning and is worthless.
    It is worthless as a defining term..

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    There is criteria that is NOT set by me which I briefly alluded to. That wikipedia article pretty much backs up what I said, which is not that there is a concrete set of standards, but a generally acknowledged areas of culture which fall under art.
    That wikipedia article only state's that there is a cosensus of what is regarded as art around the world... with differing criteria's... it's not asserting that their is one definable or several criteria's. If you want to adhere to such cosensus .. it does not make you any less biased and subjective...

    Do not go into a debate and present a standard with the basis of cosensus in subjective matters as if it was fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    Yes, people use expressions such as "the art of such & such" but that is idiomatic for the most part, simply meaning something requires special skill.
    Not everything requiring special skill is art.
    They might aswell do it.. it doesn't make a diffrence. The term is so loose and ambigious.. it does not make a diffrence.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I would say you and "the jeffster" wannabe-comedian are the ones whining about your subjective views of art not being the set standard.
    LOL.. following a cosensus does not make you any less subjective.. I can speak for myself that i am only in this argument for the sake of accord.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    Yes, art is subjective to a point, but if any individual can assert something as art, then the word has no meaning and is worthless. There is criteria that is NOT set by me which I briefly alluded to. That wikipedia article pretty much backs up what I said, which is not that there is a concrete set of standards, but a generally acknowledged areas of culture which fall under art.
    Yes, people use expressions such as "the art of such & such" but that is idiomatic for the most part, simply meaning something requires special skill.
    Not everything requiring special skill is art.

    I would say you and "the jeffster" wannabe-comedian are the ones whining about your subjective views of art not being the set standard.
    I wasn't whining at all. Just presenting a dissenting view.

    Here's dictionary.com's entry on the word art:

    art definition | Dictionary.com

    As you can see, the more narrow definitions are present, but broader ones are certainly accepted by many people and not something I or Keirsey or anybody else just pulled out of their rear.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    Not funny, insightful, or making any valid point, as usual
    OH SNAP. You're kinda feisty, Orange. We need more of that here in the Arthouse. Too many topics are just like "OMG you SPs are so crazy!!" with the SPs responding "OMG we totally are! You wanna make out?" Which is cool and all, but it's good to have some variety, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by rooo View Post
    Couldn't any of these professions be considered an artform--where often you need to improvise due to unforeseen situations (aka being creative)--if we agree with your definition of "art"?
    Aha, but here we've hit on the crux* of the difference. There are many artists who are not professionals. I would say that there is a difference between the "profession of art" versus someone who is simply an artist as a hobby, or someone who may contribute something artistic occasionally in a job that it is not mainly involved with art.

    If you ask somebody what they do for a living and their answer is "I'm an artist", then naturally you are going to think of someone who produces visual arts (or possibly music but usually people will say musician or "music artist" if they mean that.) I wasn't ever saying that this wouldn't be the default definition if someone classifies themself as an artist by profession, just that narrowly defining the word that way for any context is way too limiting to the many things that require the same basic skills and talents of creating something out of the tools and materials that one is provided.

    * I'm not actually sure what crux means, but it seemed like it would sound cool there, so I put it.
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    I have to say, some of the posts in this thread are pure artistry.

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