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    Indeed Heart. Once you know how to do something, you just do it. Let it flow. That is when you are truly being creative. Etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Don't take a stereotype so seriously. Anything is possible.
    I don't fit into most stereotypes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    I don't fit into most stereotypes.

    rofl
    Heh I don't either. I really just don't, you aren't alone. That just makes you more unique, or just plain weird like I am! But apart of me DOES want to fit in at the same time.

    I will see the response in the morning if you respond by then, since I am sleeping now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
    Indeed Heart. Once you know how to do something, you just do it. Let it flow. That is when you are truly being creative. Etc.
    Yes, there's like this modern mythos: "I just picked up this stick sitting on the ground I started whittling it with my pocket knife and pretty soon I had a masterpiece! And that's how I knew I was a talented woodworker!"

    It takes time, patience and dedication to learn any creative art. The only thing given to one usually is the drive.

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    Quality of the product is irrelevant, it's the fact you enjoy doing it or are drawn to it that matters.

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    Is not the effort and satisfaction you have in doing the work included in part of the value or quality of the product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    Quality of the product is irrelevant, it's the fact you enjoy doing it or are drawn to it that matters.
    , yes Quinlan makes a very good thumbnail here.

    This is what I mean by the drive and enjoyment. This is the first calling of your muse---and your muse loves you no matter what the rest of the world thinks of your end result. You have to learn to listen to and work with your muse in order to be creative and you have to create spaces of time and silence in which to communicate with your muse.

    The first calling of the creative spirit is simply to create and skill builds from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    Quality of the product is irrelevant, it's the fact you enjoy doing it or are drawn to it that matters.
    For your own self fulfillment (such as a form of therapy or relaxation) this might be acceptable, but you would be cheating yourself from improvement and the better realizations of your inspirations if you wish to define yourself as an "artist".

    Craft is a signifcant issue. the decision to embrace a high level of craft or deliberately ignore it is an artistic decision and would be made as a deliberate aspect of the meaning of the work. Formal training introduces you to fine craft standards which you can then choose to embrace.

    Creativity may have a number of guises outside of the realm of what we consider "Art". Maybe the way we brush our teeth or maneuver our vehicle towards a highway exit ramp give us some satisfaction in a job well done? But here there is still the issue of quality...tooth decay or traffic accident....
    Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings...Steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you a king

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    ... But wouldn't following instructions to make something be considered not creative?...
    SPs are "artisans". That's not quite the same as "creative".
    The 2 SPs in my family are good with their hands.
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    Do you feel the innate need to manipulate things in your environment?

    That's the question.

    INTJMom brings up a good point. SP are artisans.

    Artisan (definition)

    1.

    One who professes and practices some liberal art; an artist.


    2.

    One trained to manual dexterity in some mechanic art or trade; and handicraftsman; a mechanic.

    This is willingly submitted to by the artisan, who can . . . compensate his additional toil and fatigue. Hume.

    Syn. -- Artificer; artist. -- Artisan, Artist, Artificer. An artist is one who is skilled in some one of the fine arts; an artisan is one who exercises any mechanical employment. A portrait painter is an artist; a sign painter is an artisan, although he may have the taste and skill of an artist. The occupation of the former requires a fine taste and delicate manipulation; that of the latter demands only an ordinary degree of contrivance and imitative power. An artificer is one who requires power of contrivance and adaptation in the exercise of his profession. The word suggest neither the idea of mechanical conformity to rule which attaches to the term artisan, nor the ideas of refinement and of peculiar skill which belong to the term artist.


    Everyone is creative. All types.
    Creativity is . . .

    Carl Rodgers (psychologist an writer) -- The emergence of a novel, relational product, growing out of the uniqueness of the individual.

    Henry Miller ( writer) -- The occurrence of a composition which is both new and valuable.

    John Haefele (CEO and entrepreneur) -- The ability to make new combinations of social worth.

    Newell, Simon, & Shaw (team of logic theorists) -- A special class of problem solving characterized by novelty.

    H. H. Fox (scientist) -- Any thinking process in which original patterns are formed and expressed.

    Rollo May (writer, philosopher) - Creativity is the process of bringing something new into being...

    Roger von Oech - Creative thinking involves imagining familiar things in a new light, digging below the surface to find previously undetected patterns, and finding connections among unrelated phenomena.

    Carnevale, Gainer, Meltzer - ... the ability to use different modes of thought to generate new and dynamic ideas and solutions

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