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    Lately I've come to understand that Se includes feedback from the outside. I've always kind of felt it was just me putting myself forward.

    I always understood how the extraverted judging functions contained a feedback loop from other people but not really the extraverted perceiving functions.

    Is this right?

    What I mean to say is that included in Se is an appreciation of how others are sensing you.

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    Ooooh nice! Thank you for sharing, wolfy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    Lately I've come to understand that Se includes feedback from the outside. I've always kind of felt it was just me putting myself forward.
    I think it may be a little of both in needing to put yourself forward to accept feedback from the outside, especially for ISPs whose otherwise dominant Ti or Fi will preclude this from occurring. I posted the information on ISTPs in the how to become more E thread, but for ISFP lack of Se can make them:
    ? May be extremely sensitive to any kind of criticism
    ? May be unable to see the opportunities inherent to a situation
    ? May perceive criticism where none was intended
    ? May have skewed or unrealistic ideas about reality
    ? May be unable to acknowledge or hear anything that goes against their personal ideas and opinions
    ? May blame their problems on other people, seeing themselves as victims who are treated unfairly
    ? May have great anger, and show this anger with rash outpourings of bad temper
    ? May be unaware of appropriate social behavior
    ? May be oblivious to their personal appearance, or to appropriate dress
    ? May come across as eccentric, or perhaps even generally strange to others, without being aware of it
    ? May be unable to see or understand anyone else's point of view
    ? May value their own opinions and feelings far above others
    ? May be unaware of how their behavior affects others
    ? May be oblivious to other people's need
    ? May feel overwhelmed with tension and stress when someone expresses disagreement with the ISFP, or disapproval of the ISFP
    ? May develop strong judgments that are difficult to unseed against people who they perceive have been oppressive or suppressive to them
    Under great stress, may feel out of control and fearful, dwelling on the "dark side" of things
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I always understood how the extraverted judging functions contained a feedback loop from other people but not really the extraverted perceiving functions. Is this right? What I mean to say is that included in Se is an appreciation of how others are sensing you.
    Wolfy that is how I see it as well, which is the reason that ESPs have no equal in picking up on non-verbal cues and changing their immediate behavior to fit the circumstances.

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