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    Default Emotions and Value Judgements in ISTPs

    From Personalitypages ISTP profile:

    [ISTPs] do not pay attention to their own feelings, and even distrust them and try to ignore them, because they have difficulty distinguishing between emotional reactions and value judgments. This may be a problem area for many ISTPs.
    I read this, and it occurred to me that the guy had a good point - I don't really know the difference between emotions and value judgments and don't have good criteria for distinguishing between the two.

    So how can I tell them apart?


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    Also, when I distrust emotional responses, I'm not so sure that the reason is as above (because of failure to properly distinguish A from B). I can't verify this, however, until I get an idea of what he's really saying. In other words, it's unfair to rule out/modify a reason I don't understand fully.
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    This is a good question ENFPs often have them mixed the other way around I think.. confusing value judgements for emotional ones.

    I suppose it comes down to a situational aspect of things. Im a very situational-based person. If something is minor, I generally don't put value on it, thus my emotion judges and determines these things. Major decisions or even mediocre ones, though, I have to step back and stick some thought into it.
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    Erm....what exactly is a value judgment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brouhaha View Post
    Erm....what exactly is a value judgment?
    That's what I said.

    Some definitions of Value Judgement (not necessarily the personality pages author's):

    value judgement - an assessment that reveals more about the values of the person making the assessment than about the reality of what is assessed
    Subjective assessment involving some moral, aesthetic, ideological, or theoretical interpretation of superiority or inferiority.
    As a generalization, a value judgment can refer to a judgment based upon a particular set of values or on a particular value system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    From Personalitypages ISTP profile:



    I read this, and it occurred to me that the guy had a good point - I don't really know the difference between emotions and value judgments and don't have good criteria for distinguishing between the two.

    So how can I tell them apart?


    Side note:
    Also, when I distrust emotional responses, I'm not so sure that the reason is as above (because of failure to properly distinguish A from B). I can't verify this, however, until I get an idea of what he's really saying. In other words, it's unfair to rule out/modify a reason I don't understand fully.

    This is from an actual conversation with an ENFP. I think this is along the lines.

    (Discussion about a person)
    ENFP: He is an idiot - emotional
    ISTP: I hate idiots - value
    ENFP: Hes not an idiot, he just....(explanation of what she doesnt like)


    I did not actually mean I hate idiots. I was refering to the fact that I hate people like that. It was an emotional judgement that I ended changing to a value judgement. After she explained I was thinking to myself(thats what I hate about those kind of people and maybe I hate idiots was the wrong judgement)

    I think this is what that means. Someone please correct me if im wrong.

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    honestly, I'm not sure I understand that quote. Is it saying, ISTPs don't trust their feelings because they confuse their feelings with their values, which they don't like? ISTPs don't like their own values?
    Also, how do you distinguish between emotions and values. For example, is there anything that can provoke a negative reaction in someone but they wouldn't make a value judgment against it? You may shed tears when you're slicing an onion, but that isn't technically an emotional reaction, is it?
    I guess you can argue that someone can make a value judgment without having an emotional reaction, although I find it hard to believe that there's no emotion present at all even under the surface, but I can't see how you can have an emotional reaction without there being an underlying subjective assessment towards the thing that provoked it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    (Discussion about a person)
    ENFP: He is an idiot - emotional
    ISTP: I hate idiots - value
    I don't see the difference. In both instances, the individual is making a value assessment against idiots, incited by their negative emotional reaction to what they said or did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    This is from an actual conversation with an ENFP. I think this is along the lines.

    (Discussion about a person)
    ENFP: He is an idiot - emotional
    ISTP: I hate idiots - value
    ENFP: Hes not an idiot, he just....(explanation of what she doesnt like)


    I did not actually mean I hate idiots. I was refering to the fact that I hate people like that. It was an emotional judgement that I ended changing to a value judgement. After she explained I was thinking to myself(thats what I hate about those kind of people and maybe I hate idiots was the wrong judgement)

    I think this is what that means. Someone please correct me if im wrong.

    Let me explain a little better(hopefully). "He is an idiot" is an emotional response which I took as a value judgement. She did not mean that he was really an idiot.

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    Poki, I'm gonna write out what I think you're saying in narrative form. I think it'll make more sense that way. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Characters: ENFP, Poki, and Bob the 'Idiot'
    *A-hem*
    ENFP was fed up with Bob wanted to vent. "Bob is an idiot" said the ENFP, exacerbated. Poki, however, took her literally. "I didn't know she thought he was an idiot" he thought to himself. He looked up and admired the smooth contours of her body* and then said with a sly grin "Yeah, I hate idiots too." Of course, Poki did not actually harbor intense hatred toward people of low intelligence, just toward people like Bob.
    At first ENFP appeared confused. "Does Poki really think I think that Bob is an idiot?" she thought to herself. She wiped the sweat from her brow - the Saharan Sun was harsh and she was tired of riding the smelly camel**. She sighed. "I don't really think he's an idiot Poki, I just wish Bob wouldn't crash land us in the desert and sell us to Arabian goods traders all the time. It's kinda annoying." Poki figured out what she meant and things were alright. THE END

    I think that would be an example of what the personalitypage author was saying. I don't really think I do that too much but maybe I do and don't realize it.

    *well I said it was a narrative. I got bored. Gotta keep your attention somehow.
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    I know this is slightly off topic but kind of relevant I think... Do ISTPs often take instant dislikings to people... I have known two or three to do this... I ask what don't you like about this person and the response is... "I don't know" But the dislike is passionate to the point where they hate everything about the person and cannot stand to be around them or whatever.. Is this typical or are my typing skills off?
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