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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    No, global warming is more a concern for SJs, methinks. Think of those old SJs who bitch about the youth. I'd say that sort of thinking could extend to global warming, the fear that the world is suddenly going to end.

    I personally don't think global warming exists. I think it's yet more junk science to keep the public afraid.

    An N probably wouldn't even care about global warming because they're big picture oriented -- and the big picture is that we're all gonna die anyway so why bother trying to save the world?

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    Yea? I would think global warming was more of an NF's bag. I mean, think of the animals & the people who would be harmed if the earth overheated?
    (I'm kidding! I'm an INFJ who's actually studied global warming! :P)

    I think maybe an NT would agree with your view of what an N would think of global warming, but the whole "saving the world" shtick is kind of in line with an NF's need for a purpose.

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    As for the original topic...

    First of all, am I the only one who got the humor in the original post? I thought it was hilarious. We DO have the ENTJ... :P

    I, personally, am a fan of sensors. Particularly SP's - even the ESFPs. If it weren't for them, I'd never have any fun. I tend to date SP's (ISTP currently!), hang out with SP's, and have an SP mom. My childhood was a bunch of games, pretending we all lived in a musical (seriously - mom's way of getting us to do chores), and random days trips to everywhere. My social life would've probably been much less exciting had it not been for my close ESFP friends... and lord knows my love life would be lacking if I dated someone who DIDN'T think setting up a snowboard park in the backyard was a great idea! (I'm in for a long winter...)

    As for the SJ's... I can complain all I want, but there's nothing like pulling up to my ISTJ's aunt's house and getting taken care of the entire time I'm there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Mexico View Post
    But check the INTPc thread about ESFP's for more where that came from.
    Like I said, come on. You know what I mean.
    Hmm...no I actually don't. And I'll take your word for it about the INTPc thread (any more than 1 online membership on personality type, and my dork meter would expire, and well, we just can't have that now, can we?)

    Let me try to word my thoughts carefully:

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    I tend to like ENFP women, romantically and otherwise--we seem to have some kind of connection on a very deep level that belies the chirpy, slutty persona they present and draws me to try to penetrate that exterior (pun only intended after the fact).
    Oh dear lord, I am so glad to be a lesbo when I hear guys talk like this. This is not a diss to you personally, but the fact that this is how guys actually think. I'm not sure how I am not supposed to take exception to the fact you refer to me via my type as having a 'chirpy, slutty persona'. I actually think I have a very bubbly as opposed to chirpy slutty persona, thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Mexico View Post
    In fact, I suspect they're responsible for 90% of the shitty music playing at every bar, pool hall, and house party I've ever been to--Me: "God this sucks. Why would anyone listen to this?" ESFP girls: "Ooh, put on Thriller! I love that song! Let's dance!"
    I'm not sure what I'm more insulted by, the fact you called me slutty or the way you are bashing my taste in music. I loooooove me some Thriller.

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    They're the "ask a stupid question..." people.

    In fact, I suspect they're responsible for 90% of the shitty music playing at every bar, pool hall, and house party I've ever been to--

    ESFP chicks have the same chirpy, slutty demeanor, but in their case it's masking this cold, reptilian thought process that thinks of nothing but its own gratification.

    Groupies, beer sluts, gold diggers, shameless social climbers. Come on, you have to know what I mean.
    Alright, in all seriousness, those are 4 sweepingly deragotory and stereotypical and may I say a smidgen sexist descriptions you just gave of ESFP women. There is an obvious negative bias not bordering, but solidly in the realm of antipathy here.

    Do I know what stereotypes you speak of? Sure, because I see them as one-dimensional characters in movies and tv shows and music videos all the time. Do I agree with your assessment of the ESFP female type? That's not the issue here.

    See, I don't have a problem discussing shortcomings or blind spots of type, or even friendly banter, but I do have a problem with straight up type bashing. And since there are no other ESFP people, let alone ESFP women on this forum, let alone this specific thread, I'll just point that out.

    I also don't get how people who decry other people bashing their type with stereotypes (i.e. 'mean/cold/unfeeling NT') can turn around and bash another type with stereotypes.

    And now, I will stop derailing this thread unless you or other people want to continue the conversation.

    But, I hope I made myself clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Hmm...no I actually don't. And I'll take your word for it about the INTPc thread (any more than 1 online membership on personality type, and my dork meter would expire, and well, we just can't have that now, can we?)

    Let me try to word my thoughts carefully:



    Oh dear lord, I am so glad to be a lesbo when I hear guys talk like this. This is not a diss to you personally, but the fact that this is how guys actually think. I'm not sure how I am not supposed to take exception to the fact you refer to me via my type as having a 'chirpy, slutty persona'. I actually think I have a very bubbly as opposed to chirpy slutty persona, thank you.



    I'm not sure what I'm more insulted by, the fact you called me slutty or the way you are bashing my taste in music. I loooooove me some Thriller.

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    Alright, in all seriousness, those are 4 sweepingly deragotory and stereotypical and may I say a smidgen sexist descriptions you just gave of ESFP women. There is an obvious negative bias not bordering, but solidly in the realm of antipathy here.

    Do I know what stereotypes you speak of? Sure, because I see them as one-dimensional characters in movies and tv shows and music videos all the time. Do I agree with your assessment of the ESFP female type? That's not the issue here.

    See, I don't have a problem discussing shortcomings or blind spots of type, or even friendly banter, but I do have a problem with straight up type bashing. And since there are no other ESFP people, let alone ESFP women on this forum, let alone this specific thread, I'll just point that out.

    I also don't get how people who decry other people bashing their type with stereotypes (i.e. 'mean/cold/unfeeling NT') can turn around and bash another type with stereotypes.

    And now, I will stop derailing this thread unless you or other people want to continue the conversation.

    But, I hope I made myself clear.


    Um, OK, I didn't callyou anything. I don't even know you. I'm not even anything close to an expert on this MBTI stuff, so I'm still kind of skeptical about how well I can "type" people. I know exactly one person who's told me what type he is; the rest is a combination of conjecture and sarcasm. I can't tell you where one starts and the other begins, as I don't really know myself, but I think you're taking this a bit too seriously. Not to mention personally. If you posted on here tomorrow identifying yourself as an ISTJ, I wouldn't feel qualified to tell you you were wrong.

    Not to mention that this whole business inherently lends itself to stereotyping. "Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?"

    Relax.

    Grain of salt.

    I meant "persona" in the sense of what a person projects to others. I'm actually a very compassionate person who's spent a lot of my life engaged in social-justice activism, but you'd have to know me personally to pick up on that. "Cruel" and "cold" and perhaps even "arrogant" would not be inaccurate descriptors of the "person I pretend to be" (persona) around those I don't know well. If you fall down, I'll help you back up, but I'm far more likely to laugh at you than try to soothe your wounded pride. I didn't know that this was because I'm an INTP until a few weeks ago. It does, however, make sense.

    Likewise, I've interacted with a reasonably wide variety of people in my life, and I'd say most of us have aspects of our personality that we don't project and/or work to conceal through the personae we adopt. I didn't say ENFP's in general are slutty, much less imply that it's a universal characteristic of your personality type. People I know who exhibit behaviors that would seem to mark them as ENFP's do tend to project a persona that's, well, more welcoming of physical and emotional attention from a wider variety of people than I am. I'm not addressing anyone's actual sexual proclivities; I'm just saying that the (apparent) ENFP's I know seem to be flirting just a little with everyone they meet. Just as I imagine I seem to be suspicious or contemptuous of everyone I meet.

    So, I'm not saying ENFP's are slutty, or chirpy for that matter. And neither are all ESFP women gold-digging beer sluts. What I was getting at, actually, was precisely the opposite--similar outward behavior simultaneously reflecting and concealing very different inward thought processes. ESFP thinking, I believe, tends toward the ephemeral--"I know what I want, and I want it now." Women who appear to me to be ESFP's project a persona that's warm and friendly and welcoming as long as the other person is providing something desired or valued, and cold and dismissive if/when this ceases to be the case. That kind of behavior irritates me, so, yes, there's a little bit of antipathy toward what I would now say are SFP-like personality traits. Behavioral manifestations of these traits will be experienced differently by me, as a heterosexual male, depending on gender. The undercurrents beneath the surface are as off-putting as the outward behavior. With ENFP's it's a different story--there's a connection there with
    the inquisitive "inner child" that underlies the party-girl persona.

    Ehh, I'm tired, so I'm just going to stop writing. But the INTPc thread was full of stories from men about being screwed over in various ways by ESFP women. The ephemeral sense of what is or would be enjoyable can override considerations like appropriate ways to treat other people. ENFP's, I think, are simply unaware of it when it happens; I can more easily see an ESFP just not caring.

    Again, grain of salt. Just my personal observations, and the thread subject was NTs' problems with SP's.

    Although Michael Jackson does make exactly the kind of music I can't stand. Pop music in general is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Mexico View Post
    "Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?"

    I meant "persona" in the sense of what a person projects to others.

    Again, grain of salt. Just my personal observations, and the thread subject was NTs' problems with SP's.

    Although Michael Jackson does make exactly the kind of music I can't stand. Pop music in general is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
    I see...so personality vs. personae...hmm...I give you 'A' for effort. Do I agree?

    Am I entertained? Well this forum is infinitely more appealing to me then the eternal battle of me vs. blank screen. The blank screen kicks my ass everytime. And you can only imagine the boxes of pens I have ravaged, carelessly and callously spilling their lifesblood in my insatiable quest for 'story'.

    And I have to admit, whenever I read "slutty...women" anywhere online, I'm there!

    The original thread was about wha?? Seriously, I don't really keep track of such inconsequential things, it reminds me of doing parliamentary debate. And those cats are so square.

    It's a shame you don't like MJ though. Do you not like to dance dance for the revolution??? What do you dance to? Or do you not like to dance?

    I have no beef (or vegan tempeh) with you. For now.

    Muahahahahaa.



    And now I'm going to bed.



    (Everyone, you may continue with your thread.)

    --> me walking away gracefully, clearing the board for others to share and hash out their views

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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    The original thread was about wha?? Seriously, I don't really keep track of such inconsequential things, it reminds me of doing parliamentary debate. And those cats are so square.
    Hey now, I did Lincoln-Douglas, but watch it.

    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    It's a shame you don't like MJ though. Do you not like to dance dance for the revolution??? What do you dance to? Or do you not like to dance?
    OK, I'm a proud member of a Facebook group titled "When people say DDR, I assume they're talking about East Germany."

    Do I dance? Yes, and I'm reasonably good at it. Dance for me is a way to use bodily movement to further explore the complexity of the rhythms in the music I like to listen to (INT thing, maybe you don't understand). Reggae and ska music gets me moving, as does head-banger death metal. I'll pretty much be anywhere there's a circle pit. Some hip-hop, but only the more advanced, interesting stuff. I'm not into "ass-shaking."

    "Dance" is not a style of music. People that like poppy 3-chord music with 4/4 timing because they "can dance to it" are shallow and have poor taste.

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