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    Quote Originally Posted by pecan111 View Post
    Also, it allows us to use our abilities to create analogies and make somethign simple from something complex.
    YES! This, to me, is true learning on my behalf (my measuring scale, in a way). If I can make it in every-day terms/words/analogies, I have understood something in depth. If I can make it relate, fit the bigger picture, the grander scheme, I have understood.

    And, I do it to learn.

    And, that's what I admire about ISTPs, the P makes them open to perspectives, and the S makes them on-the-go in the real world, grounded. And, they actualize the depth I wanna show in something. They make it tangible. Into a workable machine. The ones I've met are quick. Oh, so, sharp! Gets me hot & bothered, actually. That S sensibility towards the P perversion [which I can relate...the endless what-ifs, esp. with the Thinking fx added]. Love the mix of extroversion and introversion too, allows for easier flow of conversation - the duality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    YES! This, to me, is true learning on my behalf (my measuring scale, in a way). If I can make it in every-day terms/words/analogies, I have understood something in depth. If I can make it relate, fit the bigger picture, the grander scheme, I have understood.

    And, I do it to learn.
    I am glad you agree...I MUST do this..i won't stop until i figure a way to inter-relate an issue...My analogies are awesome, or some I am told, but its a fantastic way to teach a complex or difficult intangible issue..especially understanding people...you must teach in a different way in order to help others more clearly see the real "meaning" and "exactness" of what you are trying to convey. I think that is why I have a rather large and extensive vocabulary. Its great that the english language has so many words that communicate very fine shades of meaning. Just wonderful to have just the right word to more clearly help understand ....but I am sure sometimes we go too far...I am learning to let go of some of this now.., but I always get energized to the max when people's lightbulb comes on and they "get it!"...

    You can always tell when their face registers the "hit"! Thats why counseling is so incredible to me...Its eureka , I hit gold!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pecan111 View Post
    but I always get energized to the max when people's lightbulb comes on and they "get it!"...

    You can always tell when their face registers the "hit"! Thats why counseling is so incredible to me...Its eureka , I hit gold!!!
    Solving a knowledge (i.e., cracking its code, understanding) is the drug. And, that moment...my intellectual hit. For sure.

    I am learning to let go of some of this now..,
    Ah...addictions! My need to make a point to its greatest depth sometimes has me tripping over my words, too much overload of choices of how to convey. The perfect/right word. That gets understood.

    Maybe that's why I sometimes wish to rather speak to those who don't speak my language. To me, it's one of the greatest lessons in learning how to convey ideas between humans. When one has minimal luxury of complex language at one's disposal.

    So, when I do have the luxury of the English language at my disposal, it's an overload of how to pinpoint a thought from the myriad. I sometimes, thus, have run on-and-on-and-on&onnn sentences (with many bracketed side thoughts). I can't never explain enough. Like I missed just the right words/way to say it.

    I'm also trying to lassoo that bad bull [in a china shop] ...in. Here's hoping.

    But...when I get it right....it's like.....

    oooohhhh...yeahhhhhh....

    They get it. That means I got it. We get it.

    We conquered knowledge. What a rush!

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    =Qre:us;558029]Solving a knowledge (i.e., cracking its code, understanding) is the drug. And, that moment...my intellectual hit. For sure.
    yes knowledge for sure, but for me i think its more about understanding...when I get the true understanding of a complex issue from someone, it tends to make me take them further into the "zone"..by that I mean more and more and more understanding and how it relates to something or someone else..its all about the interrelatedness...you know we have to find REALTIONSHIP or correlation with something...its not necess. about cause and effect, but it certainly tends to go there, but I am not out to prove what something caused, but rather, what something is RELATED to...its a kicker when i take an Sensor on this journey..they generally don't see the big picture and although it can be quite dull for them, sometimes its a real rush to see their eyes open and their emotions charged!!



    Ah...addictions! My need to make a point to its greatest depth sometimes has me tripping over my words, too much overload of choices of how to convey. The perfect/right word. That gets understood.

    Maybe that's why I sometimes wish to rather speak to those who don't speak my language. To me, it's one of the greatest lessons in learning how to convey ideas between humans. When one has minimal luxury of complex language at one's disposal.

    So, when I do have the luxury of the English language at my disposal, it's an overload of how to pinpoint a thought from the myriad. I sometimes, thus, have run on-and-on-and-on&onnn sentences (with many bracketed side thoughts). I can't never explain enough. Like I missed just the right words/way to say it.

    I'm also trying to lassoo that bad bull [in a china shop] ...in. Here's hoping
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    Yep, i totally agree....i can run on in an effort to gain more understanding and depth or relatedness. I am seeking an answer that will make more complete sense because then I can let it go and leave it be. If I can't make sense of something, it tends to linger and hang around. I hate that!! especially when emotions or good friends are involved. I think we are sometimes trying to understand and rationalize emotional states and I have sworn off ever deciding how someone felt.

    They must tell me personally and i absolutely refuse to decide for them. Only thru their words and eyes can I more fully understand their subjective frame of reference. I will say that I am letting this go on a different level. At times, I can just feel empathy or it seems like I am hit with a wave of feeling from others. Its like this invisible, but palatable cloud or aura. I feel its their emotions, but I can't aways FEEL them accurately. I CAN FEEL an emotional tidal wave, but I CAN PERCEIVE and SEE what they are feeling, usually bec. I can read people so well most of the time. People dont realize that they give off all kinds of small behaviors and body language that tells on them. Its almost like I do an instant body scan like a damn laser scanner and instantly take in and process a total image boiled down to what is going on. I really didn't think about this in detail because we tend to think everyone else is doing the same thing, but i now realize everyone ISN'T doing this.. I trust my perceptions a lot, but i think I can be more objective than real emotional types.


    I really didn't realize for a long time how much I do this, but I have been told so, so MANY MANY times that I read people like a book. I started to look more closely at what exactly I was doing. For me, its now some questions mixed with listening to my emotional inner voice. A combination of the two work together in order to act as a check on each other. If I detect an emotion mixed with a physical and visual perception that "matches", then I tend to trust and communicate that conclusion about someone. It surprises even me at how much I pick up on.

    I recently was asked after meeting a complete stranger for about 3 minutes, what I thought of them. I did a check on my perceptions and emotions and told them what I thought. They were flabbergasted at what I had picked up on. This isn't unusual for me, but was unusual was that I had just met what most would consider a closet male whore and possible pedophile, but when others had been introduced to them, they almost always said "oh what a nice guy". " he was pretty cool" He was not a weirdo type.
    Even I was surprised by what I had perceived about him...its nice to know I can do this, however I like to get feedback from someone who has known them awhile. IN this case, they had known them for quite some time.

    I also have been told that I am in touch with my feelings very consistently. AGain, I really didn't realize until I started looking at what I do. Its like there is a constant barometer on in me. When I feel anything, I am essentially immediately aware of my inner change of state. I change my focus and attention like a damn lighthouse sweep of its light and flash all my attention on my emotions. Then my introverted thinking takes over and BAM! I can identify with a clarity that surprises me. Very fine shades of emotions and then I normally had to figure out WHY and WHERE they were coming from. Gratefully, I dont' do this all the time anymore.. Experiencing emotion without having to analyze them all the time has been a real relief for me! Can anyone identify with any of this?

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    Very few types in a working environment with an ENTP will not have the best time ever.

    Hendo has said it before: ENTP is short for ENTrePreneur.

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    I was in a conversation with an ENTP the other day about programming and what it came down to was they were intrested in how all the little things fit together, while I was always interested in how the big picture fit together. Sometimes I forget about the little things and an ENTP is there to help out since that is what they are focused on, while He may forget about the bigger picture I am there to give him a hand since to me you gotta see how the little things affect the big picture. Both being P we are open to the others ideas. Its like an ISTP and an ENTP working together can see the whole picture and everything just fits together perfectly. Its like a perfect compromise of theory and application.
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    Interesting points Poki. I never thought about that, but I do focus on, maybe less of the big picture, but more of keeping the group on target by making sure we remain in the scheme of our ultimate goal. This I guess could easily look like big picture focusing, but I chalk it up to our "Chart the Course" traits.

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    Look, we already got the sound of the latest teaming relation online

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    ISTP's are nine kinds of awesome, you get no argument from me there. I technically have about three best friends, but secretly the ISTP is my favourite (shhh!) and we totally do loads of awesome shit together. I don't know how it's possible to enjoy someone's company so much that doesn't have boobs

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    I always liked finishing those group experiments as quick as possible. Not sure why - I'd just hustle to get through them and then when finished sit out the rest of class and do nothing in particular.
    Yeah, see, that's where it's at, that's where ISTP and ENTP really come together. let's get this formal, official shit over with, so we can get on with what we REALLY wanna do. Which is often nothing in particular

    ENTPs are decent to work except when you ask them a straight question and they make a pun out of it and then don't really answer your question. Ugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecan111 View Post
    the thing is though, we have to be somewhat interested in the project. If its boring to us, we won't be there emotionally...we will try and somehow escape the routine.
    Yeah, I've seen that happen before. If an ENTP isn't interested in a project that has been mandated by some higher authority, they will do the absolute minimum required.

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