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    1. Okay
    2. It does.
    3. Eat something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo_(operalover) View Post
    1. That applies to any SP
    2. How does that answer my question?
    3. I'm starving.

    1. Yep.

    2. The next time he tries to get you to do some favor for him, ask him, "So what do I get out of it?" His answer will give away his motives. I'm thinking an ESTP wouldn't be at all shocked by bluntness, as well as others wanting to know how his/her plans would benefit them too. I believe that's what Keirsey meant by "SPs are "cynical" -- we know that everyone acts in accordance with selfish motives, and that's okay with us -- in fact, it's refreshing if people are honest and up front about it. If he answers by saying that something's your duty or your social obligation, then I don't know that you'd be hurting his feelings by saying, "Look, buddy, if you can't turn it into a win-win situation, then I don't care about just making you happy right now. I've got other work that needs to be done. Bye." (and then escape)

    3. Eat lunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarah View Post
    1. Yep.

    2. The next time he tries to get you to do some favor for him, ask him, "So what do I get out of it?" His answer will give away his motives. I'm thinking an ESTP wouldn't be at all shocked by bluntness, as well as others wanting to know how his/her plans would benefit them too. I believe that's what Keirsey meant by "SPs are "cynical" -- we know that everyone acts in accordance with selfish motives, and that's okay with us -- in fact, it's refreshing if people are honest and up front about it. If he answers by saying that something's your duty or your social obligation, then I don't know that you'd be hurting his feelings by saying, "Look, buddy, if you can't turn it into a win-win situation, then I don't care about just making you happy right now. I've got other work that needs to be done. Bye." (and then escape)

    3. Eat lunch.

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    I agree with this. I've dealt successfully with the "manipulative" person occasionally by challenging them. Evasion isn't the answer, because they'll feel like you just don't want to help them. You want them to feel like they were wrong to ask if you want the behavior to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo_(operalover) View Post
    Perhaps 'working' was not the most appropriate term. It's better explained here -
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...html#post85730
    That post was written by an ENTP who was stating that he would personally like someone to ask while he was doing a task.

    I myself as an ESTP would possibly rage on someone if I was in the middle of something and they came asking me things.

    But don't take my word for it, try it out and get smoldered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mo_(operalover) View Post
    "I'm totally guilty of feeling like I'm being accused of things all of the time" - How to ask ESTP for changes?

    That sentence I quoted could have as well been written by any of the ESTPs I've known.

    Though, of course, there's variance within every type. I just haven't had the luck yet to run into someone of this type that didn't have those qualities I mentioned in varying degrees.
    Once again, you quoted a post from the ENTP rather than a reputable source or website. I'm not demeaning the guy btw but don't you think its better to get the info straight from the horses mouth? I think so.

    Now the sentence as quoted by the ENTP "I'm totally guilty of feeling like I'm being accused of things all of the time"

    You wouldn't get out of an ESTP unless you were jigsaw from the Saw movies and had them strapped to a chair. Yes I am deadly serious.

    We never feel this way. Go to ANY reputable personality site and you'll find that ESTPs are the opposite to this way of thinking.

    Finally just for you, I quote a post from the how to make ESTPs make changes thread that I believe to be helpful... even though I've already pretty much explained the below previously in a different way.

    Quote Originally Posted by quietgirl View Post
    If I've learned anything about my ESTP mom, it's that if the first time I ask her something she doesn't respond favorably, then I simply try again the next day & get a whole new (usually contridicting) response. This worked wonders in high school.

    As for major things that hit her to the core, I just say how I feel in the least emotional way possible (usually by presenting facts - I don't use my normal INFJ abstract way of reasoning with her). I prepare myself for her to completely disagree & probably get rather flippy with me. Once she starts getting out of hand, I simply hang up the phone or go in the other room. I'll give her a couple days to simmer and approach the subject again - while acknowledging that I may have presented my case the wrong way the first time, but this is something that means a lot to me. I'll usually pick a neutral place (such as a resturant) the second time around. She usually listens this time & we work something out.
    Notice the first part about getting a bad response the first time... Whats the bet the ESTP was in the middle of something?

    I'd put money on it, Cause I'm a gambler like that. Can't refuse a safe bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarah View Post
    2. The next time he tries to get you to do some favor for him, ask him, "So what do I get out of it?" His answer will give away his motives. I'm thinking an ESTP wouldn't be at all shocked by bluntness, as well as others wanting to know how his/her plans would benefit them too. I believe that's what Keirsey meant by "SPs are "cynical" -- we know that everyone acts in accordance with selfish motives, and that's okay with us -- in fact, it's refreshing if people are honest and up front about it. If he answers by saying that something's your duty or your social obligation, then I don't know that you'd be hurting his feelings by saying, "Look, buddy, if you can't turn it into a win-win situation, then I don't care about just making you happy right now. I've got other work that needs to be done. Bye." (and then escape)

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    I like; I can totally see that working. You're, like, my MBTI Jedi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I agree with this. I've dealt successfully with the "manipulative" person occasionally by challenging them. Evasion isn't the answer, because they'll feel like you just don't want to help them. You want them to feel like they were wrong to ask if you want the behavior to change.
    Noted. Thanks guys and gals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    I SLAP THE TASTE OUT THEIR MOUTHS
    I've wanted to do that, like, forever.

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    Hmm. Somedays it's like this:
    "You want me to do what?" "No." "No." "Still no."
    "Yes, I'm eating, but keep talking, you might convince me one day." "No."
    "So... What would I get out of that?" "No."
    "No." "Nice try." "No." "Abso-fucking-no. Noooooo-o."
    *laughs* "What the? That doesn't make any sense, why would I do something like that? No." *laughs some more*
    "Fine, I'll do this much. Since I like you."

    Or I just laugh.

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