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    I respect authority. If there is no respect for authority then there is chaos. I often find myself in a dilemma considering I am a right wing authoritarian when I submit to obey left wing authority figures such as professors and teachers. I may vehemently disagree with their beliefs but I do need to obey them. The only reason I would disobey authority is if it was for climbing the ladder and I prefer climbing the ladder by obeying the rules. Is chaos a pit or a ladder? I also am conflicted with my parents who have opposing political views to mine and because they are my parents I sometimes challenge their authority. Perhaps, I am a hypocrite for doing this, perhaps not. Though a liberal in an authority position is an oxymoron. The establishment is supposed to be conservative while subversives are liberal.
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    I believe that respect is earned and not given based on a position or uniform: I have personally seen far too many dirty/bad cops to not be wary of them. Moreover, I have and will break laws if I am able to justify doing so to myself or just don't believe in the specific law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stone View Post
    I believe that respect is earned and not given based on a position or uniform: I have personally seen far too many dirty/bad cops to not be wary of them. Moreover, I have and will break laws if I am able to justify doing so to myself or just don't believe in the specific law.
    This is exactly how I feel too. People throw around the word respect too much, I think, too. I mean, how could I respect someone unless they respect me & prove to me that they deserve respect?
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    I'm not for authority as much as I'm for a peaceful environment. I see all people as equal, so a person of authority should lead as one among equals. I expect them to demonstrate fairness, honesty, integrity, and compassion. I have no respect for an authority figure that abuses their power.

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    I respect authority whose leadership skills and integrity merit respect. So do most of the SJ types I know. Meaning, the presumption that SJ types respect ALL (or even most) authority is false. Nor am I compliant to authority! However, I DO strongly prefer to get things done well and I do not expect authority to be perfect for me to be a valuable team member.

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    [New here, so I guess I should just jump right in?]

    My default is to respect authority, I suppose, but I am pretty vigilant about gauging authority figures in terms of whether they are just, competent, etc. To me it is absolutely paramount that authority figures embody those types of values. If my boss is unfair in some way, my respect for them is likely to wane; if my boss isn't as smart as I am, I can still manage to be respectful but I tend to find it really annoying. Even if I have a boss who is shitty (that is, does not live up to these sorts of standards) I am not really apt to make waves, but I haven't really encountered that [yet] so it's hard for me to say what I might actually do. I think this is pretty emblematic of being an ISTJ because while the hierarchy of authority is important, the most important things, in my view, are efficiency, competency, etc. and so an individual authority figure can fail to promote those things and thus lose our/my respect. Interesting topic, because the whole "duty fulfiller" stereotype is so pervasive on the MBTI internet community, it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamBeliever View Post
    How do you guys feel about authority?
    It exists. It's a natural and necessary part of life and of society. Someone competent needs to wield it if things are going to run smoothly.

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    Are you generally compliant?
    It depends. Compliance to authority is one of my defaults, especially when it is the right thing to do, and easier/better than the alternative. But another of my defaults is to get a good feel for every new social system and structure that I encounter, including how it relates to power dynamics, and seeing 1) if there's anything that I need to change behind the scenes, 2) if there's a power vacuum that I need to fill, and 3) if those in authority are incompetent enough that I need to challenge them directly.

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    Do you ever go against authority? When or for what reason?
    Yes, when it needs to be done, and when I am able to do it with minimal risk (or when the risk is worth it).

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    Do you usually respect authority figures?
    This is also one of my defaults, so yeah.
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    Basically yes, we respect authority, rules, government, because their existence helps the society to keep fair, equal, and stable. (Example: I never forget putting the seat belt when I enter the car even when the speed is still under 40 in a service road, because the law is law)
    However, when we feel that Authority is not doing well, and its main purpose became not to help the society, we will the first who notice that and try to make changes.

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    I think it is best to follow rules / authority as a sign of respect. When someone breaks the rules and it causes problems for other people I would be against it, but if the person was having fun and there was no harm done to anyone else then its okay.

    Its not something i pay a lot of attention to though, its just one of the many things that seems like common sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamBeliever View Post
    How do you guys feel about authority? Are you generally compliant? Do you ever go against authority? When or for what reason? Do you usually respect authority figures?
    1. It depends on what kind of aauthority and the contezf.
    2. SAO
    3. Yes. If I either think the person is weak and easy to walk over, or if I am more interested in doing things my way.
    4. It depends.

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