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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Right back at you, love.
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    Consider the fact that the personality type is different from what you perceive of yourself, your ideals and what you want to be. For most of my youth I would have passed for ISTJ, but that's more because of the image I made of myself rather than a switch in the use of cognitive processes.

    Consider also that those online tests at time don't really get to the point.

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    The problem with most of the SJ descriptions is that they are far too folksy. The image implanted in my head when reading the about the Guardians seems distinctly similar to the community of a conservative small town.

    But I think that with any of the temperaments, the SJ is hardest to pin down, particularly in a diverse region.

    The core motivation of the SJ type is belonging to any sort of organization and upholding values of any organization, even an intellectual organization stereotypically associated with NT. So if an SJ is a supporter of the scientific method, then he will likely uphold those scientific values and laws and would likely become suspicious when those values are challenged without any hardcore facts.

    Temperament is not really about how a person fits in with world as much as it is how they approach their world. How a person of a temperament fits in with the world is mostly a side effect of their natural approach to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    The core motivation of the SJ type is belonging to any sort of organization and upholding values of any organization
    That's the part that I don't identify with. I don't want to belong to any group or support their values. The only thing I'm a guardian of is my own mind. I have always felt that to subvert the self in favor of the group is a kind of intellectual suicide.

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    I think Keirsey bares a lot of responsibility for some of the most common ways people misuse and misunderstand the MBTI and the cognitive processes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I think Keirsey bares a lot of responsibility for some of the most common ways people misuse and misunderstand the MBTI and the cognitive processes.
    Is it just me, or did it really sound like there was an undertone of resentment in the Keirsey SJ profiles?
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************ (24.3)
    average use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ********************** (22.3)
    limited use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) *********************** (23.3)
    limited use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ************************************* (37.2)
    excellent use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************* (21.9)
    limited use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) *************************** (27.2)
    average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************************************************** (50.6)
    excellent use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ********************************* (33.4)
    good use

    There's my scores. I hate the fact that they say the test is a work in progress that we have to help make better and then they tell us that the point of the test was that we ultimately were going to understand some of the questions. Eh... I left the comments box blank....

    I gotta say that Te/Ti are higher than expected. It's prolly cuz I'm a guy though.

    Does anyone else ever freak out and go "oh man! I really hope I get my same type, cuz if no I don't have any idea who or what the fuck I am!"? I'm like that!
    "... you think deeply about stuff [that] nobody cares about and hardly anybody can understand you." ~ Peguy talking about Ni users. So true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    I have always felt that to subvert the self in favor of the group is a kind of intellectual suicide.
    Who said you had to "subvert the self?" Your interpretation of SJ characteristics seems so negative.
    Last edited by pure_mercury; 08-06-2008 at 08:42 AM.
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    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************************** (32)
    good use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ********************************* (33.1)
    good use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ***************************** (29.9)
    average use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ***************** (17)
    limited use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) *********************************** (35.1)
    good use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ****************************** (30)
    average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ****************************** (30)
    average use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ******************************** (32.9)
    good use

    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ESTJ

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Introverted Sensing (Si): Stabilizing with a predictable standard. Carefully comparing a situation to the customary ways youve come to rely on. Checking with past experiences. Stabilizing a situation and invest for future security.

    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ISTJ, or ESFP



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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Is it just me, or did it really sound like there was an undertone of resentment in the Keirsey SJ profiles?
    I don't recall enough to say if there was resentment. I do remember that it sounded ignorant, and excissively simple and narrow.
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