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    Default ESxJs...How do you experience Ne-doms?

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    Im starting to wonder about the dynamic between the Dominant function and the Tertiary. Since you guys hold the tertiary to our dominant....I was wondering:

    What are Ne-doms like for you? Do you get along with them? If so, does that have to do with the Ne-connection? If not, is it due to feeling corrected by the Ne-dom? And how does that manifest itself?
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    Well, I think Mark Steyn and P. J. O'Rourke (both ENTPs) are awesome.
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    First, i smile, wave, wait for them to get bored and move on.

    If they haven't, chances are we become good friends. Distant friends if we have too many disagreements. In rare cases, bitter enemies.

    I don't feel corrected? Not sure what that's a reference to, usually it's me doing the correcting.... or encouraging.
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    Um, it really depends on the person. I don't know many ENTPs, the one I did know was seriously bitchy, which I don't attribute to her type.

    I generally like ENFPs though, we get a long quite well. I appreciate their spontaneity, they appreciate my ability to plan things when we need structure. I think my biggest frustration is that I often find them flakey. :/ Or, they think I am boring. I do have one ENFp that I am particularly close to. When we met like 6 years ago she was kind of a mentor figure for me, but we are basically peers now. We've have a good long run with our friendship. Her flakiness is definitely what bothers me most about her.
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    Yeah flakiness is not..an easy thing to turn off or deal with Ive found

    Tnx for the replies. I meant to ask specifically about Ne, because it is your tertiary. And I've noticed that the tertiary and the dominant version of it can sometimes run into problems, where the dominant will pull rank on the tertiary in interactions and dictate how things 'should be' - Intjs and Istps for instance often run into that problem, I find. I was wondering if you experienced that with dominant Ne.

    And, you alerted me to something else - which you also see in the INTJ - ISTP issues: the secondary with the inferior. Si. Our Si must occasionally look really incompetent to you.

    Anycase, it's just a pet theory about the dynamics found in mbti that I was wondering about.

    Funny fact: I...like SJs, I just feel like I torture them with my presence - that they do not know what to do with me, where to put me, how to read me, unless I really tone myself down. They are amazing though when you're having problems with some stupid details you aint seeing that ruin everything - true life savers. But I also know that my...sheer rate of random chaos and flakiness tends to drive them batty as i unwillingly ruin their...well, routine and systems, set up for keeping this stuff orderly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    First, i smile, wave, wait for them to get bored and move on.

    If they haven't, chances are we become good friends. Distant friends if we have too many disagreements. In rare cases, bitter enemies.

    I don't feel corrected? Not sure what that's a reference to, usually it's me doing the correcting.... or encouraging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Yeah flakiness is not..an easy thing to turn off or deal with Ive found

    Tnx for the replies. I meant to ask specifically about Ne, because it is your tertiary. And I've noticed that the tertiary and the dominant version of it can sometimes run into problems, where the dominant will pull rank on the tertiary in interactions and dictate how things 'should be' - Intjs and Istps for instance often run into that problem, I find. I was wondering if you experienced that with dominant Ne.

    And, you alerted me to something else - which you also see in the INTJ - ISTP issues: the secondary with the inferior. Si. Our Si must occasionally look really incompetent to you.

    Anycase, it's just a pet theory about the dynamics found in mbti that I was wondering about.

    Funny fact: I...like SJs, I just feel like I torture them with my presence - that they do not know what to do with me, where to put me, how to read me, unless I really tone myself down. They are amazing though when you're having problems with some stupid details you aint seeing that ruin everything - true life savers. But I also know that my...sheer rate of random chaos and flakiness tends to drive them batty as i unwillingly ruin their...well, routine and systems, set up for keeping this stuff orderly.
    My feedback may not be terribly valuable in this case then since my Si is only marginally more dominant than Ne...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Im starting to wonder about the dynamic between the Dominant function and the Tertiary. Since you guys hold the tertiary to our dominant....I was wondering:

    What are Ne-doms like for you? Do you get along with them? If so, does that have to do with the Ne-connection? If not, is it due to feeling corrected by the Ne-dom? And how does that manifest itself?
    I find that our senses of humor mesh well. Like Ne-dom humor is a less restrained version of our humor. B/c it really takes The Right Environment for our Ne to show itself -- and even then it's not as Ne as your Ne.

    On that note, I guess it is correction, in a way (though I would have used the word "balance"). You folks help us loosen up a little. Encourage us to push those boundaries. ENTPs especially, since boundary-pushing is pretty much their favorite hobby.


    Edit: I get along extremely well with ENFPs -- my best friend in the world is an ENFP -- but the ENTPs I've met IRL have generally rubbed me the wrong way. But that's almost entirely an Fi vs. Ti issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Yeah flakiness is not..an easy thing to turn off or deal with Ive found

    Tnx for the replies. I meant to ask specifically about Ne, because it is your tertiary. And I've noticed that the tertiary and the dominant version of it can sometimes run into problems, where the dominant will pull rank on the tertiary in interactions and dictate how things 'should be' - Intjs and Istps for instance often run into that problem, I find. I was wondering if you experienced that with dominant Ne.
    I can't imagine Ne ever forcing someone to think that something "should be" a particular way. That's not what Ne does. Unless I'm missing something?
    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Funny fact: I...like SJs, I just feel like I torture them with my presence - that they do not know what to do with me, where to put me, how to read me, unless I really tone myself down. They are amazing though when you're having problems with some stupid details you aint seeing that ruin everything - true life savers. But I also know that my...sheer rate of random chaos and flakiness tends to drive them batty as i unwillingly ruin their...well, routine and systems, set up for keeping this stuff orderly.
    I wonder if this is the case with SJs who were more encouraged towards stereotypical SJ-ness throughout their lives... if that makes sense. SJs who had a lot of SJ friends, or friends who had more "established"/"popular" senses of humor. Compared with SJs who had more of an N presence in their lives, be it in their family, their friend group, wherever. Really it's just a matter of what humor we're used to. If we're used to Ne, then we'll love Ne. Otherwise it's "weird".

    (Background: Most of my friends are Ns, my parents are respectively INTP and INFJ, and like I said earlier, my bestie is ENFP. Also feel free to extend the word "humor" to all aspects of Ne, when you read this post)
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    I heard that the ESxJs like to go Ne dom hunting so that they can beat them with a bundle of clean socks tied to a string. Is this true? It sounds like fun.
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