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    Quote Originally Posted by captain curmudgeon View Post
    How do you handle situations that require strictly objective analysis and critical thinking, and don't tie into values at some level?
    I have a question that may answer your question: can you give an example? I honestly can't think of a scenario where values are not important. Maybe choosing a bank to get a loan from?

    Quote Originally Posted by great_bay View Post
    What do you think about dating your benefit relations which is ESTP?
    I don't know much about socionics, but I really can't picture myself with an ESTP. I'm not usually drawn to extroverts, and I think an ESTP would drive me nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Showbread View Post
    I generally like them a lot! I can find them overwhelming and too intense, but for the most part we get along really well. I've had two ENFJ roommates over the years and they've been great. We tend to have very similar house rules, both spoken and unspoken. I don't think I could ever date one, but they make great friends and are a lot of fun to spend time with. IME they also tend to have kind of silly senses of humor. Both of my roommates have been extremely punny.
    How are they too intense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovid View Post
    How are they too intense?
    Ni has drive and cares about it's thoughts.

    Si mainly retains and cares about retaining.

    Both are too intense in an extreme, but one is more likely to notice it's opposite. To put it another way Ni can be extremely caught up in it's motivations of vision, in disregard as to whether others hold the same vision and at it's more extreme excesses, will attempt to tie all contexts back into itself and hollow them out. Si is more about if the context fits the self's own experiences (often in familiarity and comfort but not always) so instead contexts are brought into line and solidified, filled in.

    I would hazard to suggest that ENFJ's are more likely to adhere to a notion of critical thinking than ESFJ's as well. Not saying they are better at it or worse, that's largely individual, but I think there is a tendency for Ni to give an impression of self-meta examination.
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    ^ An aside: It's interesting that Ni makes ENFJs more intense than ESFJs, but makes ENTJs LESS intense than ESTJs. Because IME, Ni helps ENTJs detach from everything that pisses ESTJs off from day to day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovid View Post
    How are they too intense?
    The one's I've known tend to fixate and kind of get tunnel vision on certain topics/interests. It's like very ounce of passion gets funneled into one thing and they have to tell you all about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    ^ An aside: It's interesting that Ni makes ENFJs more intense than ESFJs, but makes ENTJs LESS intense than ESTJs. Because IME, Ni helps ENTJs detach from everything that pisses ESTJs off from day to day.
    I actually disagree. I find ENTJs more intense, for similar reasons. The things that do piss of ENTJs essentially cause a tornado of rage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Showbread View Post
    The one's I've known tend to fixate and kind of get tunnel vision on certain topics/interests. It's like very ounce of passion gets funneled into one thing and they have to tell you all about it.



    I actually disagree. I find ENTJs more intense, for similar reasons. The things that do piss of ENTJs essentially cause a tornado of rage.
    I agree. I absolutely do do that. Thank you for the answer.
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    Why can't ESTJ understand introverted intuition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain curmudgeon View Post
    How do you handle situations that require strictly objective analysis and critical thinking, and don't tie into values at some level?
    I'm stronger, but less creative when my values are at stake, like if I didn't care about the outcome I might be more creative and more rational. Just like everyone

    I took a formal logic class once and aced it. That's probably the purist form of critical thinking without any kind of values involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by great_bay View Post
    What do you think about dating your benefit relations which is ESTP?
    Se doms are really attractive, but really direct, so being in a relationship with them is sort of painful. I'd take ESTP over ESFP though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by great_bay View Post
    Why can't ESTJ understand introverted intuition?
    I can't really speak for other types, but I don't because it just feels like I'm being run around in circles and kept off balance and then I get mad because I can't tell where they're going with all this and I just do what I was gonna do anyway but angrily because I don't know what was up with that guy he sounded crazy.
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    I've been typed as an ESFJ before, so why not answer questions here, right?
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