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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Okay... but why should all the NTs learn how to not be SJs?
    Just better NTs...which I don't know if that's a good thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    The NTs have already evolved into higher lifeforms.

    It's the other three groups that hold humanity down.
    Much as I'd hesitate to say it, NT's really don't seem that much more intelligent than anyone else, except with strategy, mathematics and physics.

    Also, wouldn't natural selection have increased the number of NT's by now if they were "higher lifeforms"?

    NT's are skilled, no doubt, but are those skills really the ones best adapted for survival?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Okay... but why should all the NTs learn how to not be SJs?
    Actually, she meant they should learn to overcome their respective weaknesses, which would be different from those of an SJ.

    SJ's would be taught to develop NP qualities.
    SP's would be taught to develop NJ qualities.
    NF's would be taught to develop ST qualities.
    NT's would be taught to develop SF qualities.

    In moderation, of course... they shouldn't try to change into the other type, or not be willing to acknowledge their limitations, weaknesses, and different flow of energy.

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    Okay, interesting discussion, but can we take this back to the OP, please? Thanks.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    dnivera, your type is ISTJ, and you are concerned with finding ways in which you can pursue personal growth. Presuming you are an ISTJ, the following would work well:

    * Getting in touch with your personal values.

    * Spending time contemplating what motivates you.

    * Brainstorming and testing new ideas.

    * Playing with random interconnections.

    You may also benefit from reading about your opposite type, ENFP, trying to see the positive traits in this type, and considering whether you feel that you should integrate any of these qualities into yourself.

    Note that you should not attempt to abandon your normal personality in the process of pursuing personal growth, as this may cause needless stress and result in suffering/harm and little if any benefit to yourself. Instead, you should simply try integrate these qualities into areas of your life that currently seem empty and in need of these traits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Okay, interesting discussion, but can we take this back to the OP, please? Thanks.
    I appreciate your attempt to get us back on topic, but please don't say "thanks" without waiting for a response? I personally consider that quite rude to everyone involved in the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnivera View Post
    How do you become a healthier SJ? Just by reading these posts recently I've discovered those nitpicky stereotypical things that other types don't like about SJs...too task-oriented, tend to micromanage, too focused, etc, and I've tried to be more laid-back and less controlling. But I don't really feel like "myself" when I do that!
    You've gotten some very good advice.

    Perseveration is another characteristic of some SJs that drives people nutty. Learn to drop things if someone doesn't get your point, agree with you, etc. Repeating the same argument or advice over and over annoys people and usually doesn't result in the agreement or change you want anyway. BTW, this advice works for all types.

    Hanging out on this forum is a great idea.

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    dnivera, I wouldn't take the posts written on this forum as a baseline for self-judgment. To that end, I agree with athenian's first post. There are some dark undercurrents flowing beneath the happy-go-lucky exterior of this forum that sort of tip the scales where the equality of types are concerned.

    Secondly, "ISTJ" by itself does not mean much. Instead of asking to be a better SJ and therefore a subscriber to stereotype, you might consider thinking outside the MBTI and consider your qualities, strengths and weaknesses regardless of how they (and by extension you) fit into the ISTJ mold. Do not rely on external opinion overmuch for personal, internal growth -- instead self-examine yourself and reach your own conclusions about what you should improve about yourself.
    Not really.

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    RELAX.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I appreciate your attempt to get us back on topic, but please don't say "thanks" without waiting for a response? I personally consider that quite rude to everyone involved in the thread.
    Sorry, hon -- consider it to have been said in a "very kind" voice... NOT a condescending one, as how you unexpectedly took it. Take it as a compliment, I trusted you guys to be courteous enough to comply w/o my having to see the evidence... and you proved me right.

    nice assess btw. Not just you... lots of good advice here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Okay, interesting discussion, but can we take this back to the OP, please? Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I appreciate your attempt to get us back on topic, but please don't say "thanks" without waiting for a response? I personally consider that quite rude to everyone involved in the thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Sorry, hon -- consider it to have been said in a "very kind" voice... NOT a condescending one, as how you unexpectedly took it. Take it as a compliment, I trusted you guys to be courteous enough to comply w/o my having to see the evidence... and you proved me right.
    *stifles laughter*

    BACK ON TOPIC, MOFOs!!!

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    RELAX.
    That's what I was trying to say. Frankie say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    The NTs have already evolved into higher lifeforms.

    It's the other three groups that hold humanity down.
    She told me she liked to be held down.

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