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    you guys should be careful when trying to apply socionics to your mbti type. an INTJ in mbti would score as INTP in socionics thus the relation of duality for an mbti intj would be the esfp with intp in socionics, not INTJ with ESFJ. and mbti intp would score as socionics intj and so I think it's safer to state that the INTP and ESFJ are duals since most people overlook the differences between socionics and mbti, MBTI is the test most people took so I think we should state it as INTP and ESFJ duality so we don't cause confusion.

    This explains why the mbti intp is more tolerant of esfj and the mbti intj does not get along with esfj. It's the mbti intj and esfp that are duals in mbti terms, and if you look through this forum and find the consistency of these relations it will make more sense to you.

    Also there are different views on type interaction and socionics has it's own method different from others. I prefer Kiersey when it comes to type interaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volk View Post
    This is a question to all ESFJs. I want to know what you think about INTJs and if you ever reached a level of complete understanding with one. I don't have any S types at all among close friends, but according to socionics an ESFJ would be my best match. I can't really imagine how that can be true, since S and N people live in two different worlds and F people tend to require too much emotional maintainance.
    INTJ's are weird and quirky and knowledgeable and i do think you guys are great. Complete understanding, no. But me and ex were both unhealthy back then. I personally think these 2 worlds can be brought together as long as you are aware of the differences and neither of you want to change the other person. Finally yes, we do require emotional input from yourselves, which may possibly be lacking in this kind of relationship unless you are able to express yourself.

    I was reading something recently which said my shadow was INTP. No thanks, i would take an INTJ anyday.
    Call me crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJ123 View Post
    the relation of duality for an mbti intj would be the esfp
    The idea of duality is harmonious interaction though, or covering each other's weak points, and in my personal experience I have found sensing-perceiving to be ok companions for recreation, but terrible in romantic or professional settings (or even close friendships for that matter...not impossible, but there's an inherent barrier there). My needs in any kind of a relationship would be much better suited to someone of the SJ temperament.

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    I know others have touched on this point, socionics is not the same as MBTI. A INTJ is a INTP in socionics.

    The "ideal" type for a INTJ is a ENTP or ENFP according to Keirsey.

    I prefer a INFJ, but it is not without its challenges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus View Post
    I know others have touched on this point, socionics is not the same as MBTI. A INTJ is a INTP in socionics.

    The "ideal" type for a INTJ is a ENTP or ENFP according to Keirsey.

    I prefer a INFJ, but it is not without its challenges.
    Me, too. My mother is ESFJ, and I appreciate her 'mindful', tenacity and diligence, but I love the INFJ's gentle, feeling, and understandable rationale in a partner.

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    Basically, as far as my own interactions, if you can obey basic social stuff, behave in a way that displays an appropriate amount of concern or interest in others, or respect their perceptions of life (not necessarily agree) then they will usually get along with you just fine. And I don't see any of the things I listed as pulling teeth.
    The greatest revenge is living well.

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    At least in my own personal experience, I enjoy INTJ's. I find them intriguing and I am ever interested in how their minds function. It seems very different from my own perspective, and therefore I am drawn to them continually.

    My best friend is an INTJ. At first it was very difficult to become one in his selective group of pals, but it was worth the long and grueling wait. I'm not one to say it's without conflict. Sometimes I find myself affronted by things that he says, and I'm sure there are things about me that bother him. Also, I used to not be able to take criticism AT ALL without taking it personally, but after spending time with him, I've learned to enjoy the realistic point of view given. I find as long as I don't let those little things take control and bother me, we keep the best company. I think at least in this type's case the opposites can attract each other, and have great potential to learn from each others differences.

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    I'm borderline I/E and I like INTJ's. I think they are interesting and I like their style but I think they get really annoyed when I gravitate towards certain traditions and when I act all sensorish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    I'm borderline I/E and I like INTJ's. I think they are interesting and I like their style but I think they get really annoyed when I gravitate towards certain traditions and when I act all sensorish.

    Urgh, ESFJ sensorish... SAVE ME!

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    I (INTJ) had a 30 yr relationship with an ESFJ (yes it ended divorce) and am five years into another ESFJ, so I guess that makes me an addict. I find her strenghts compensate my weakness, and my strengths compensate for her weakness. Together we are a force not to be triffled with. We could devastate each other, so trust is key. So I am free to be wierdly silly with her, to let my unbalanced emotional states show a little (she finds it funny and strange). She is free to have a complete emotional meltdown with me (I have learned that these things are not problems to be solved) serving as an unjudgemental safe haven.

    Ying and Yang, happily balanced, not in middle, but by the extremes.

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