And FYI, I answer the same way you do when asked about interior decorating. Just as my Father would answer when asked what restaurant he would like to go to for his birthday: "Eh. Anyone will do, just pick one for me."
I'm not sure why you are trying to force yourself to FEEL and get all emotional. No wonder why you end up becoming more depressed and drained. The key to dealing with illusionary emotions is to pretend they don't exist at all.
My solution to you would be to take out that underworked Fi of yours, sit down with it and try to understand the reason behind your reactions to all these sensory stimulation. You shouldn't expect to come out of it with a bleeding heart, instead your goal here should be an in depth awareness of what you feel and why you feel that way- in other words get in touch with your Fi to such a level where you won't become confused/misdirected when other people tell you what you should feel/what you aren't feeling.
For a Thinker I know feelings are like poison to the soul yadayada, but look at what happens when you are out of touch with your Fi: Your AUNT has to tell you what you are feeling, you get confused when people tell you that you should be feeling this but you don't- basically you have no idea what you're feeling and rely on others as a crutch. It is much healthier for you to build up that connection to Fi, no matter how irritating/tiring it is and knowing yourself better than to attempt to become something you are not.
08-04-2012, 04:03 AM #31
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08-04-2012, 09:44 AM #32
i only mean that they're similar in the fashion that both rely on internalized "blank" in order to gain information or the starting grounds for a solution (i don't think i said they're interchangeable).
i was talking about the nostalgia effect because if one were to know they were a Pi-dom, and one were to know that one type (maybe stereo-typically) is more likely to experience it/welcome it based on their dominant process while the opposing dominant function would be more likely to discount such thought (again, stereo-typically), then it would likely narrow the options for a person; not to mention focusing on two mirroring/differing aspects between two types/processes that appear to be very similar from the outside-->in, i thought, would have been a good to illustrate each. as far as what "feeling" comes from Si-rooted experience? Si is supposedly heavily rooted in feeling (everything we do is), but not in the sense of actual, readily available emotion; it has more to do with a sense of "rightness", so the discussion about the couch could go in either direction for each Si and Ni, but if it went in favor of the dominant process Si would... take the sensory data it is seeing and contrast it against their idea of a couch (?) in order to know if this particular one will fit their vision of "how their house should be/look" (i think everyone will have an idea of 'how something should look', but i believe an Si-dom would have a more intimate, rich vision?). to the Ni-dom, if the couch is important, they would access their inferior Se and focus mainly the texture, how comfortable it was, etc.; the focus on downplaying sensation in my earlier post was just an example of behavior one can associate with inferior Se, but you're right, there's no reason a tertiary Fi-type couldn't see their Si-impressions and repress the emotional response they receive.
i don't have Fi by the way, it's Fe. trying to understand why some people who are "F's" are all "yucky" and others are seem more like "T's" can get confusing if one believes that T&F are emotion, or if one believes that someone leading with Se, Si, Ne, or Ni is either, when in reality they are their dominant and inferior processes--their judgment is secondary to the makeup of their personality. so, if i'm an Ni-dom then i will already downplay the emotive side if that's what it means--having Fe and Ti are both ways of distancing one's self from their internal source of value judgement meaning they'll fall more in the technical side when forced to do so (according to theory); so, a TP or FJ, no matter how emotional they become, they are more likely to experience it in a fashion that leaves them less able to readily pin-point and define what they are feeling, let alone search the matter out (unless it comes to their attention), but may find it easier or more natural to be aware other peoples' feelings before their own (this may change if Fe is the inferior)... (and then throwing in the enneagram only makes things more divergent).
oh, i don't believe i rely on others as a crutch (projection? not on what you actually do, but on what you'd be likely to do?). i'll usually just have a conversation with myself in order to figure out why i reacted a certain way or why i feel a certain way--similar to your advice, but then again, having tertiary Fi will be like the big-brother version of having no Fi.
thanks for the advice though, and welcome to the forum .
08-04-2012, 01:39 PM #33
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If you put it like that, then yes they are comparable.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by Pi-dom? If I understand how functions work, Si correlates with Ne and Ni with Si. I do not think anyone can have both Ni and Si as their dom, if I assume that is what you mean by "Pi".
I think it is very unlikely for a person to be using both Ni and Si consciously, as both of these functions require a high level of internal awareness, and is a process of habit that a person builds up over time and eventually becomes wired towards. Furthermore Si already has Ne as an intuitive function, I would think that for a person to flip from Si/Ne to Ni/Se it would require a complete mental breakdown and disconnection of their own identity/conscious process.
I'm not really sure why you are attempting to roleplay both a Si and Ni, both these types do not really relate to each other beyond their basic function in a psyche. I assume, if you process the world as a Si, thinking like a true Ni-dom would require an inhuman amount of effort (to block both your natural inclination, and to exercise the intended function) for you and vice versa. If you are unsure which dom you are, attempting to type yourself from second-hand info without any in depth reflection on which is your true dominant function is just asking for further confusion.
As a Si-dom, it is my first and most natural function, parsing sensory memory would be almost effortless for me. But in a Ni-dom, for them sensory stimulation is draining- it requires extra effort and time to process with their Ni and thus they find that using Se tires them out. This is another factor you can consider if you aren't sure about whether you're Si or Ni dom.
I apologize for assuming that you were Fi, it does change things if you are an Fe. At least your frustration with the peripheral presence of others does seem to be more of a natural reaction. As an Fi, I tend to place priority on my internalized feelings rather than the feelings being broadcasted around me, to me it doesn't matter what others think or feel about me just as long as I'm sure about what I feel.
I admit I was projecting in this part, and when I say feelings are yucky I actually meant it more as a joke lol. Personally I admire the big bleeding hearts of F-users, but from a distance and in small doses.
I'm not exactly sure what point you are trying to make here (forgive me its 2am, and your way of writing is a little hard for me to follow) but I agree that neither T nor F is inherently better than the other, and that viewing T/F without taking account the rest is also a recipe for mistyping.
But at the bottom line, just because a type may appear to react similarly to another, that is just the superficial manifestations of their internal process. To get a true accurate reading you have to understand their automatic/semi-unconscious internal process and then divide it down to its base elements and then judge the order of functions from there, rather than assuming that just because Type A and B both display the same reaction this means function A is equitable to function BC combined.
If you want to throw in the enneagram I think I will throw in the towel, the MBTI is complicated enough as it is without including even more variations to each subtype.
Whoops, like I admitted, I was projecting here. I assumed that it was inferior Fi causing trouble. I'm not too sure about what healthy/unhealthy Fe feels like, so you'd probably have to enlighten me more on that.
Thanks for the welcome
08-04-2012, 05:47 PM #34
@soppixo "Pi-dom" means the category with Si-dom and Ni-dom in it; it's just used to express the common traits of both--in other words, where either Ni or Si could apply. Not that the person is dominant in both, but that the scenario holds true when the person is dominant in either of the two.You can't spell "justice" without ISTJ.
08-05-2012, 12:57 AM #35
no problem and no reason to apologize as far i see it. communicating over text is hard enough, then throw in the differences in communication style and it doubles.
i wasn't trying to say that one is better/worse than the other, or to say that neither is above the other, just that if one is P-dom (I or E), then they are technically not judgers. this wouldn't necessarily mean that they didn't rely on technical/evaluative judgments, just that it would be a more minor part of their personality in comparison to the "power-houses" that make it up (the dominant and inferior)... but even then, it would depend on the level of growth and integration of of opposing mindsets within the person to really say what is/isn't a side of their psyche that they take into consciousness (if someone who has tertiary T(i or e) is undergoing the assimilation of that particular perspective you may see a lack of the former (F-i or e) as means to direct enough conscious energy in order for it to come about and be exposed to one's life--almost like getting used to seeing the world through a blue filter--and this can cause one appear to be a completely different type... in theory .
i think the majority of the post was answered by Cimarron.
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