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    Default How to tell if you're an ISTJ or ISFJ

    I'm wondering a good way to tell as I find the descriptions of functions quite confusing. (Don't know if I use more Fe or Te).
    Any insight into the differences would be great, thanks.
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    ISTJ is better with routine details and work and does not take things personally, whereas an ISFJ is more likely to cry due to hurt emotions. ISTJ might be more laid back and leisurely, and ISFJ might be more into following proper moral codes of conduct and service for other people but idk.

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    Do you want to manage the objective external environment or people and/or ethics more?

    Also its actually pretty easy to tell between Fi and Fe. Have you read Jung or Beebe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    ISTJ is better with routine details and work and does not take things personally, whereas an ISFJ is more likely to cry due to hurt emotions. ISTJ might be more laid back and leisurely, and ISFJ might be more into following proper moral codes of conduct and service for other people but idk.
    i actually agree with a lot of this, though ISTJs can perform acts of service too and ISFJs don't always cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    ISTJ is better with routine details and work and does not take things personally, whereas an ISFJ is more likely to cry due to hurt emotions. ISTJ might be more laid back and leisurely, and ISFJ might be more into following proper moral codes of conduct and service for other people but idk.
    So if insulted the ISFJ would openly express emotion rather than going quiet/ignoring the person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Do you want to manage the objective external environment or people and/or ethics more?

    Also its actually pretty easy to tell between Fi and Fe. Have you read Jung or Beebe?
    I haven't managed to yet, do you know any good links?
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    Somewhat serious question: How much do you like hugs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tine5 View Post
    So if insulted the ISFJ would openly express emotion rather than going quiet/ignoring the person?


    I haven't managed to yet, do you know any good links?
    ISTJ would probably quietly ignore the person, since they are more solitary than avoidant, and ISFJ might attack because they feel they have been personally assaulted and release emotion. Because of this sensitivity, I would say ISFJ is more avoidant, but the difference is ISFJ probably wants relationships more than ISTJ.

    Have you read up on the cognitive functions?

    ISFJ:
    Dominant: Introverted sensing (Si)Si collects data in the present moment and compares it with past experiences, a process that sometimes evokes the feelings associated with memory, as if the subject were reliving it. Seeking to protect what is familiar, Si draws upon history to form goals and expectations about what will happen in the future.[13]

    [edit] Auxiliary: Extraverted feeling (Fe)Fe seeks social connections and creates harmonious interactions through polite, considerate, and appropriate behavior. Fe responds to the explicit (and implicit) wants of others, and may even create an internal conflict between the subject’s own needs and the desire to meet the needs of others.[14]

    [edit] Tertiary: Introverted thinking (Ti)Ti seeks precision, such as the exact word to express an idea. It notices the minute distinctions that define the essence of things, then analyzes and classifies them. Ti examines all sides of an issue, looking to solve problems while minimizing effort and risk. It uses models to root out logical inconsistency.[15]

    [edit] Inferior: Extraverted intuition (Ne)Ne finds and interprets hidden meanings, using “what if” questions to explore alternatives, allowing multiple possibilities to coexist. This imaginative play weaves together insights and experiences from various sources to form a new whole, which can then become a catalyst to action.[
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISFJ

    ISTJ:
    Dominant: Introverted sensing (Si)Si collects data in the present moment and compares it with past experiences, a process that sometimes evokes the feelings associated with memory, as if the subject were reliving it. Seeking to protect what is familiar, Si draws upon history to form goals and expectations about what will happen in the future.[15] Using Si, ISTJs thrive on deep analysis of their surroundings.[14]

    [edit] Auxiliary: Extraverted thinking (Te)Te organizes and schedules ideas and the environment to ensure the efficient, productive pursuit of objectives. Te seeks logical explanations for actions, events, and conclusions, looking for faulty reasoning and lapses in sequence. [16] ISTJs use this function to actively process and evaluate their perceptions.[14]

    [edit] Tertiary: Introverted feeling (Fi)Fi filters information based on interpretations of worth, forming judgments according to criteria that are often intangible. Fi constantly balances an internal set of values such as harmony and authenticity. Attuned to subtle distinctions, Fi innately senses what is true and what is false in a situation.[17] Fi allows ISTJs to turn their analysis to themselves and others, to understand their feelings and the causes thereof.[14]

    [edit] Inferior: Extraverted intuition (Ne)Ne finds and interprets hidden meanings, using “what if” questions to explore alternatives, allowing multiple possibilities to coexist. This imaginative play weaves together insights and experiences from various sources to form a new whole, which can then become a catalyst to action.[18] While ISTJs are capable of rapid and dogged information processing and number crunching, they often have difficulty with, or simply dismiss, abstract concepts without immediate concrete applications.[
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISTJ

    Just to add my own tip, ISTJ Te probably is more interested in ordering people and the environment around, and ISFJ Fe is probably more interested in empathy and helping other people.

    Hope that helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinker683 View Post
    Somewhat serious question: How much do you like hugs?
    I feel uncomfortable with hugs and openly reject them most of the time. I only enjoy hugs if I'm relaxed and with maybe on person and very rarely. I prefer people to offer advice than hug me or say "oh that's terrible!" because that doesn't help in the long run. I only hug if I have to (if it's forced on me as a surprise) or if I feel like it at the time.
    I feel intense emotion but don't show it often (I do suffer from depression so it does come out though).

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    ISTJ would probably quietly ignore the person, since they are more solitary than avoidant, and ISFJ might attack because they feel they have been personally assaulted and release emotion. Because of this sensitivity, I would say ISFJ is more avoidant, but the difference is ISFJ probably wants relationships more than ISTJ.

    Have you read up on the cognitive functions?

    ISFJ:
    Dominant: Introverted sensing (Si)Si collects data in the present moment and compares it with past experiences, a process that sometimes evokes the feelings associated with memory, as if the subject were reliving it. Seeking to protect what is familiar, Si draws upon history to form goals and expectations about what will happen in the future.[13]

    [edit] Auxiliary: Extraverted feeling (Fe)Fe seeks social connections and creates harmonious interactions through polite, considerate, and appropriate behavior. Fe responds to the explicit (and implicit) wants of others, and may even create an internal conflict between the subject’s own needs and the desire to meet the needs of others.[14]

    [edit] Tertiary: Introverted thinking (Ti)Ti seeks precision, such as the exact word to express an idea. It notices the minute distinctions that define the essence of things, then analyzes and classifies them. Ti examines all sides of an issue, looking to solve problems while minimizing effort and risk. It uses models to root out logical inconsistency.[15]

    [edit] Inferior: Extraverted intuition (Ne)Ne finds and interprets hidden meanings, using “what if” questions to explore alternatives, allowing multiple possibilities to coexist. This imaginative play weaves together insights and experiences from various sources to form a new whole, which can then become a catalyst to action.[
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISFJ

    ISTJ:
    Dominant: Introverted sensing (Si)Si collects data in the present moment and compares it with past experiences, a process that sometimes evokes the feelings associated with memory, as if the subject were reliving it. Seeking to protect what is familiar, Si draws upon history to form goals and expectations about what will happen in the future.[15] Using Si, ISTJs thrive on deep analysis of their surroundings.[14]

    [edit] Auxiliary: Extraverted thinking (Te)Te organizes and schedules ideas and the environment to ensure the efficient, productive pursuit of objectives. Te seeks logical explanations for actions, events, and conclusions, looking for faulty reasoning and lapses in sequence. [16] ISTJs use this function to actively process and evaluate their perceptions.[14]

    [edit] Tertiary: Introverted feeling (Fi)Fi filters information based on interpretations of worth, forming judgments according to criteria that are often intangible. Fi constantly balances an internal set of values such as harmony and authenticity. Attuned to subtle distinctions, Fi innately senses what is true and what is false in a situation.[17] Fi allows ISTJs to turn their analysis to themselves and others, to understand their feelings and the causes thereof.[14]

    [edit] Inferior: Extraverted intuition (Ne)Ne finds and interprets hidden meanings, using “what if” questions to explore alternatives, allowing multiple possibilities to coexist. This imaginative play weaves together insights and experiences from various sources to form a new whole, which can then become a catalyst to action.[18] While ISTJs are capable of rapid and dogged information processing and number crunching, they often have difficulty with, or simply dismiss, abstract concepts without immediate concrete applications.[
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISTJ

    Just to add my own tip, ISTJ Te probably is more interested in ordering people and the environment around, and ISFJ Fe is probably more interested in empathy and helping other people.

    Hope that helps
    That is helpful thanks! Yeah with conflict I tend to either lash out or withdraw and try and work out what happened (this can be by asking questions about what I did that was wrong and pointing out what they did was wrong etc). I look for gaps/inconsistencies in debates (i.e. if someone says something and I recall they said something differently before then I'll point it out).

    Can ISTJs be emotional internally (very intensely) but not show it too much? how would one act if depressed? (more like an Fe user?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tine5 View Post
    I feel uncomfortable with hugs and openly reject them most of the time. I only enjoy hugs if I'm relaxed and with maybe on person and very rarely. I prefer people to offer advice than hug me or say "oh that's terrible!" because that doesn't help in the long run. I only hug if I have to (if it's forced on me as a surprise) or if I feel like it at the time.
    I feel intense emotion but don't show it often (I do suffer from depression so it does come out though).


    That is helpful thanks! Yeah with conflict I tend to either lash out or withdraw and try and work out what happened (this can be by asking questions about what I did that was wrong and pointing out what they did was wrong etc). I look for gaps/inconsistencies in debates (i.e. if someone says something and I recall they said something differently before then I'll point it out).

    Can ISTJs be emotional internally (very intensely) but not show it too much? how would one act if depressed? (more like an Fe user?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tine5 View Post
    I feel uncomfortable with hugs and openly reject them most of the time. I only enjoy hugs if I'm relaxed and with maybe on person and very rarely. I prefer people to offer advice than hug me or say "oh that's terrible!" because that doesn't help in the long run. I only hug if I have to (if it's forced on me as a surprise) or if I feel like it at the time.
    I feel intense emotion but don't show it often (I do suffer from depression so it does come out though).


    That is helpful thanks! Yeah with conflict I tend to either lash out or withdraw and try and work out what happened (this can be by asking questions about what I did that was wrong and pointing out what they did was wrong etc). I look for gaps/inconsistencies in debates (i.e. if someone says something and I recall they said something differently before then I'll point it out).

    Can ISTJs be emotional internally (very intensely) but not show it too much? how would one act if depressed? (more like an Fe user?)
    Yes, ISTJs can be very intensely emotional, keeping it all inside. INTJs are like this, too, but the sources of emotion are less concrete, I would suspect, than for an ISTJ. Fi describes people who can certainly feel feelings, but you ask them to try to put words to their feelings, and they either refuse outright, or find themselves speechless even if they want to answer ... the feelings (good, bad or ugly) are simply indescribable. Fe people are much more capable of talking in terms of feelings and values in an open and "objective" (in the Jungian sense) manner.
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