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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Perhaps "more productive", but likely to make the xSTJ run themselves into the ground and implode, I'd say...
    Perhaps.

    So then, it is your contention that us big strong SJ manly-men should learn to let out a few man tears every now and then?

    Please note: I'm just trolling you now, albeit very badly

    ETA: Just realized that a guy with a male angel holding a woman really shouldn't be throwing around terms like "manly-men"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinker683 View Post
    Perhaps.

    So then, it is your contention that us big strong SJ manly-men should learn to let out a few man tears every now and then?

    Please note: I'm just trolling you now, albeit very badly

    ETA: Just realized that a guy with a male angel holding a woman really shouldn't be throwing around terms like "manly-men"...

    Ummm... I am not at all kidding when I say that an SJ manly-man letting out the occasional manly tears is like MY DREAM GUY!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Ummm... I am not at all kidding when I say that an SJ manly-man letting out the occasional manly tears is like MY DREAM GUY!!!!

    O rly?

    I guess I can see why my INFJ digged me the way she did...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinker683 View Post
    O rly?

    I guess I can see why my INFJ digged me the way she did...
    Well, all that said I might be slightly atypical INFJ in that regard. The fact that I'm ISFJ-like rather than INTJ-like might have something to do with it. Not sure. A lot of INFJs seem to be very much inclined to N partners only. But in any case, I do have a thing for manly men. At least ones who are reasonably sensitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Well, all that said I might be slightly atypical INFJ in that regard. The fact that I'm ISFJ-like rather than INTJ-like might have something to do with it. Not sure. A lot of INFJs seem to be very much inclined to N partners only. But in any case, I do have a thing for manly men. At least ones who are reasonably sensitive.


    Anyway, back to the topic...

    I am not an xSTJ but I can get like that sometimes. More often than not for me its just frustration not so much at the problem at hand but rather at how whatever it is that's really bothering me has so much power over me that its like a chain or bag of bricks and some part of me just screams, "No, fuck you, I'm GOING to keep pushing forward and FUCK YOU FOR TRYING TO KEEP ME DOWN!!"

    ....or something like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinker683 View Post


    Anyway, back to the topic...

    I am not an xSTJ but I can get like that sometimes. More often than not for me its just frustration not so much at the problem at hand but rather at how whatever it is that's really bothering me has so much power over me that its like a chain or bag of bricks and some part of me just screams, "No, fuck you, I'm GOING to keep pushing forward and FUCK YOU FOR TRYING TO KEEP ME DOWN!!"

    ....or something like that
    Frankly, I wish I had the problem of being a workaholic (or something like that) when stressed or unhappy. At least I'd get more done. INstead, it seems like my world descends into chaos, I realise my apartment hasn't been cleaned properly for far too long, I've just spent two days in bed paralyzed with awful thoughts, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Frankly, I wish I had the problem of being a workaholic (or something like that) when stressed or unhappy. At least I'd get more done. INstead, it seems like my world descends into chaos, I realise my apartment hasn't been cleaned properly for far too long, I've just spent two days in bed paralyzed with awful thoughts, etc.
    Hmm...

    Yeah, as I said earlier, when I do get really stressed my normal response is to withdrawal, sometimes from everyone and everything. The problem is I can only do that for so long. After a while I get intolerant of it and throw myself into things because I'm trying of feeling so damned useless all the time and its like I need to overcompensate for that feeling by constantly keeping myself busy.
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    I have known an STJ or two who have deliberately busied themselves with work to completely avoid other things that they are uncomfortable or not as proficient in but I don't think all of them do that. Like EJCC said, for some of them the avoidance is just a consequence, not the cause. It takes time and intuition to tell the difference between the two and with the former, the "work" excuse just won't add up.

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    I have problems concentrating on many things at the same time or divide my attention in many places. More than once I've acted as if I'm so busy that I can't do anything else but the task at hand. Even when I'm not doing that task. Worst case scenario is when I want to avoid that task, but still remain "being busy".

    For example, few months back I was to write my candidate's thesis. I really hate writing scientific text (don't ask why I chose to go to university) and it took me months to write this very short work. The whole time I was "writing", I tried to avoid in any other lengthy project or time consuming thing. That resulted me just being stressed for a long time and wasting my time doing nothing. I'm noticing this feature is wrecking havoc with my social interactions. I appear to be very busy to my friends all the time, meanwhile I do nothing but waste time.

    An example how I'm unable to divide my attention would be when I'm talking to two or more people at the same time in chat/messenger (one-to-one connections, not multichatting). I feel very stressed about having to share my attention with many people at the same time. This makes me look very uninvolved with all the participants. This makes me look distant to people.

    On the more positive side, I'm very good at concentrating in one task at a time, even for a long time. Just few weeks back I took part in Global Game Jam (48h game creation event) in which I practically coded through the whole weekend, sleeping only total of 5 hours. I loved it how much I could commit to the team effort.

    So, I'm really just a guy who can handle only one thing at a time. If I can't handle it (and can't put it aside), it will be bad for me. But if I can, it will be great.
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    I suggest you watch this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113277/ I highly recommend the 2 disc special edition. If you don't rewatch it with Michael Mann's commentary you'll only get the tip of the iceberg.

    Vincent Hanna (Al Pacino) is the most thoroughly/accurately ESTJ character I can think of. He's a workaholic under a ton of stress and his life is a wreck as a result. My life is not at all like his, but as an ESTJ I could easily relate to him, and almost everything he did and said rang true to me.

    Neil McCauley (Robert De Niro) is an INTJ 8w9 sp/sx.

    I'm somewhat of a nerd when it comes to guns/ammo/ballistics/tactics and I could go on and on about why Heat is one of the best and most accurate movies you'll ever see in regards to that stuff, but that aspect probably doesn't interest you very much.
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