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    Default SJ's in different countries

    Hi SJ's and everyone else.

    I think this topic has been doneish in different forms before.

    I noticed that American people are more likely to appear "SJ" in the American form and people from some other cultures are more likely to appear NT- I think that some countries value science, innovation, forward movement, etc. more than others. I was wondering if you thought that the "NT's" from other countries may actually be SJ's. Because they are upholding a tradition of NT values (if that makes sense.) -(Also could apply to other types too- the SP country could have SJ's that are upholding SP values/tradition.) I think of type in terms of motivations instead of actions. Are SJ's the definers and creators of traditions or are they the determiners/ followers of traditions?
    What do you think?

    (This could also apply to SJ's in unusual situations/ subcultures as well.)
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    Not even countries. Here (in Italy), stereotypical SJs can differ even from region to region, hell, from province to province.

    Example: in my region (Veneto), people from lower-lying, seaside places are generally fashion/appearance conscious and obsessed with making money. People from the highlands are really interested in science and technology and dress like shit / don't give a fuck about it. and can be pretty direct/rude. I've had SJ girlfriends coming from both places and they were clearly differentiated from this POV (needless to say, I was/am much more compatible with the latter type).
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    Yes, I think it depends on where you live, SJ's will seem different if they are from different places. I'm sure it's also true in America.

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    SJs who live in France follows the norms: they are alsmost all socialists and think the end of welfare state would lead to chaos and the end of the world.
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    interesting post subject @shortnsweet. Based on personal experience, I would say they uphold values/traditions. Looking forward to seeing what other countries besides the USA think.
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    I think you might have an SJ on your hands if they make a lot of references and comparisons to the way things are done in their country. I've seen it done regionally here in the US as well. Two distinct people come to mind. Everything you talk about eventually is referenced to how it was done back in NY or New Orleans.

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    Germany is SJ/SP central: people are deeply rooted in traditions, which basically are most often reasons to get drunk together and therefore aint too bad. People in my region are very social and identify themselves over clubs like soccer clubs or the dachshund club.

    As an individualist you have it hard here, as a dreamer doubly so. Most people are past-oriented realists and factualists which makes life kinda depressive at times. I had to learn to make my dreams and big picture understandings realistically graspable to convince people at all. Still sometimes I feel sucked dry by the SJs at my work, cause they somehow trust me, at least thats how it feels, by asking me questions about a future development en detail until my mind nearly collapses cause I cant make even more things up. Then in the end tho they decide like they want and pay little respect to my advise, which from experience nearly always played out bad for them.

    The worst thing is their taste in art, fashion or music. Having SJs as trendsetters really ruins it for you and people run around with watches or glasses like these, which just makes them look stupid:





    I have an equal good feeling aswell as bad feeling with my SJs. I like their loyality, I like my friends, their humor and wouldnt want to miss them. Still the way I can talk to them will be never the one that I want, cause what intrests me doesnt intrest them and they never intrest themselves in me like I do in them. I am pretty sure that I wont die in Germany.
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    Traditions? I'm not aware of any specific to my area...

    I have been told (by confirmed SJs and non SJs alike) that I have a good sense of style. I don't try to be a trendsetter. I just appreciate clean, crisp design. In my view, after a certain point, improving function ends up improving form too, because an intuitive (not in the MBTI sense) design can increase efficiency, and good function cuts out unneeded junk slowing it down, which also is a good way to improve form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Are SJ's the definers and creators of traditions or are they the determiners/ followers of traditions?
    What do you think?
    In a way I see that all the types have a specific role: the things they do. And, in the end they all work together to form a coherent whole. In a way, I see SJs as pillars of society that form a maintenance type of role. So in this way, they maintain, determine, and follow traditions and the norms of society.

    Have you studied sociology at all? There is a theory called social constructionism: it states that people actively create their social reality. It's actually quite interesting.

    This is wikipedia, but it is still quite informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_constructionism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flux View Post
    In a way I see that all the types have a specific role: the things they do. And, in the end they all work together to form a coherent whole. In a way, I see SJs as pillars of society that form a maintenance type of role. So in this way, they maintain, determine, and follow traditions and the norms of society.

    Have you studied sociology at all? There is a theory called social constructionism: it states that people actively create their social reality. It's actually quite interesting.

    This is wikipedia, but it is still quite informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_constructionism
    Yeah! This is kind of where I'm going with this. Looked at your link but didn't read the whole thing yet (so excuse me if I misinterpreted). I was thinking- if someone's group or society is based on things that are universally NT-like, wouldn't the SJ determine that maintaining NT-like society is the way to go? And consequently start acting and considering things like an NT? Or would they stand firm in their SJness, SJ thoughts, and SJ behaviors and let the social norms follow?
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