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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    This is a gossip forum. There is very little "open-ended" speculation. Plus, contrary to what it's been set up as, typology is a HIGHLY PRACTICAL-APPLICATION ORIENTED SUBJECT. It's not really all that theoretical (what little theory is involved is simple.)
    The theory itself can be used for practical purposes but the forum is all debates, arguments, speculations etc. Would it not surprise you to see this forum filled up with 60% ESFJS? and only 10% INTPS I doubt it would ever happen, the forum attracts intellectuals. It's a market. Are SJ's intellectuals? they could be but for the most part they are task oriented type individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    - Statistics tell me that Ns are only 25% of the population so it is rarer to be an N so I am an N
    Being N may make you special in the real world but as far as forum statistics that I just made up off the top of my head, SJ's make up less than 10% of the TypoC population. Which means on TypoC... I'm a unique and special snowflake.
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    them they've all got unimaginable, magnificent, wonderful, stupid, amazing worlds. Not just one world. Hundreds of them. Thousands maybe.” -Neil Gaiman

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    the forum attracts intellectuals.
    You lost all credibility right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    You lost all credibility right there.
    I'm not looking for your credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I think it's far more likely that most people on these sites identify as INPs and INJs because they want to be special.
    quite an arrogant thing to assume.

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    I, for one, welcome my new SJ overlords!

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    I feel like I could most definitely be an SJ, or I do not doubt my ability to delude myself into being an N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    Changing dynamics of the SJ vs N subconsciously and consciously
    - SJs won't subject themselves to psychology and Ns would ergo I must be an N
    - SJs are short-sighted and I'm not therefore I must be an N
    - SJs are not imaginative and I am therefore I must be an N
    - SJs aren't open to new possibilities and I am therefore I must be an N
    - I want to fit in therefore I am an N
    - I want to not be stereotyped and taken more seriously therefore I am an N
    - I want people on here to like me therefore I am an N
    - I want to be seen me as a genius therefore I am an N
    - I am like that person and that person is an N therefore I am an N
    - I like the letter N over S therefore I am an N (If we did not label Ne and Ni as it is and did not call them introverted or extraverted, types would change)
    - Statistics tell me that Ns are only 25% of the population so it is rarer to be an N so I am an N

    The change is not often due to people enforcing a negative connotation to the S type but rather, the positive connotation the general media and education system tends to like to make of the traits that the N types often describe.
    I agree with this. Any negative connotation of the S type is implied from comparing it to the N type.
    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    because typology is a forum that speculates about theory and has open ended discussions.
    Part of the forum, yeah. But not where I hang out!

    If the entire forum were like the NT rationale or the Philosophy/Religion and Politics subforums, I would never have joined. So I guess I agree with you there, in that a little bit of the reason why there aren't as many SJs on the forum is that they're repelled by the hyper-philosophical NT discussion. But at the same time I agree with @Orangey and @Oakysage. The problem isn't exclusively from one of those two things -- it's from both.
    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    The theory itself can be used for practical purposes but the forum is all debates, arguments, speculations etc. Would it not surprise you to see this forum filled up with 60% ESFJS? and only 10% INTPS I doubt it would ever happen, the forum attracts intellectuals. It's a market. [b]Are SJ's intellectuals? they could be but for the most part they are task oriented type individuals.[/i]
    Being an intellectual does not necessarily mean asking questions for the sake of asking questions, in the way you're assuming that it is. Yes, SJs have a general distaste for people who sit around, ask themselves pointless questions, and don't get a real job -- but so does anyone who likes stuff to get done. (I have some INFJ and ENTJ friends who share that distaste.) But a lot of intellectuals -- e.g. most of the ones who work for universities -- spend their time writing papers that are relevant to real life issues, going to conferences that deal with real issues, etc, and a lot of the time their work is read by important people -- some of whom are policymakers or influence policymakers. (Which is why you see a lot of SJ university professors!! I've seen a bunch of them in poli sci and history departments. @Wind-Up Rex and I were just talking about one of them, actually )

    EDIT: Also, for the record, I am a member of this forum because of its benefit to me and my understanding of myself and other people, and I believe that's why most people are here. I also enjoy studying music, theology, the social sciences, etc, for the same reason -- and so do a lot of SJs I know. If they aren't interested in typology, it's because they feel more confident in themselves and their interactions with other people than I do. A lot of my feelings of imperfection regarding communication etc, and a lot of my relief at reading things that tell me it's okay to be that way, would probably not be all that strong in, say, an ESTJ type 8. They aren't nearly as sensitive to imperfection (and being disliked by others and/or feeling like a jerk) as an ESTJ type 1w2 like me would feel.
    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    quite an arrogant thing to assume.
    It's not Orangey's arrogant assumption -- it's the assumption of a whole lot of type descriptions online. Generally, the stereotype based on type descriptions is that the geniuses, masterminds, deep thinkers, movers/shakers, and overall mentally impressive people of the world are INPs and INJs -- NTs in the sciences, NFs in the arts.

    The assumption is: It's not recommended that you be in academia or the sciences or the arts if you're an SJ... because it's not practical enough for you and you'll get bored. This assumption is wrong, and I explained why earlier in the post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinker683 View Post
    Lot of hatorade in this thread

    NEED MAOR SJs!!!!! We've got vacant office chairs people!!!!
    lol yes INEFFICIENT USE OF SPACE!
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    I, for one, welcome my new SJ overlords!
    Excellent. Your support is duly noted. Would you like a position in our one-party kleptocracy Benevolent Royal Committee?
    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    I feel like I could most definitely be an SJ, or I do not doubt my ability to delude myself into being an N.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Excellent. Your support is duly noted. Would you like a position in our one-party kleptocracy Benevolent Royal Committee?

    Join us! We made cookies.
    yay!!!!!!!!!

    can i be an sj too?! i would like to be ESTJ please.....

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