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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    By extension: are all mothers really Feelers? I think one or two other people volunteered xSTJ moms, that was all.
    My mom is definitely not a Fe type. I would say STJ as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Hmm, maybe I should have said "hardly anyone will admit to having an NT mom." I just looked back through this entire thread where a lot of people volunteered what they think their mom's type is. Patches said hers is an ENTJ. I think mine is an INTJ (she has tested as such too). THere were no others!

    By extension: are all mothers really Feelers? I think one or two other people volunteered xSTJ moms, that was all.
    If the statistics are correct in saying that intuitives make up about 25% of the populace... And only 25% of women are thinking types... How many NT women do you think there are out there? Then looking at this forum with the few hundred regular posters... And then this tread with a dozen or two participants... Why is it surprising that only two people say they have NT mothers? makes sense to me.

    And, uh, no... All mothers are not feelers, but there will be a greater number of them versus thinking types.

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    I think the way we know people is heavily skewed by the nature of the relationship. "ISFJ" and "ESFJ" are the stereotypical types for mom. I'm guessing women will try (to different degrees and extents) to fulfill roles and behave in ways towards their kids that would make them seem more 'isfj' and 'esfj'. My guess for my mom is 80% INTP or 20% stoic INFP. But even she says (and I can see) how her behavior towards her children had more Fe/FJ and wasn't necessarily how she would treat anyone else.

    I can't believe most peoples moms really are XSFJ. Maybe as we get older and can see our parents more as individuals and less as our parents and also can compare our own age/life experience to theirs at their ages while raising us the guesses for "XSFJ" will come down?

    Has anyone read 'the managed heart' about flight attendents and how their job conditioned them to behave/respond in their personal lives? I think it's a common book to read in sociology classes. And I think it's an interesting parallel.
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    I suppose mother who are F types are more inclined to have children when they have the choice not to than the ones who are T types...

    There's also the fact that a lot of parents look F-ish from the child's perspective, I think.
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    My mother's an ISFP and myself, an eNTJ have an ENTP son. It's possible he believes I'm an ESFJ, although not likely...

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    My mom's an ISFJ. I didn't know the stat until now, but that's still pretty cool... she's closer on the E/I spectrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strychnine View Post
    I agree that it can be hard for young (I)NTs to bridge the gap with SFs, especially SFJs. I would say that it takes maturity for people of vastly different types to get along, more than with similar types. And a young NT is understandably not mature. I think that is the root of the problem.

    But also there is the issue of power -- generally, the child is subordinate to the parent. The ESFJ may not want to understand / can't understand the young INT at all, and still expect to parent well, which won't work. So essentially the NT is having the wrong parenting style enforced on them, and the shit hits the fan.
    I was at odds with my (ESFJ) mother about many things, particularly rules and customs with little basis in logic, and feel she didn't understand me on certain levels. The unconditional love, acceptance, and support she nonetheless gave me were an essential component of the security I felt as a child.

    At the same time, when I got to be 13 or 14, I started to feel what was almost a shift in the balance of power. I had learned enough in certain practical and intellectual areas that she started to ask my advice more, and take my suggestions. I suppose I could have taken advantage of this, but did not, either out of respect for her, or simply because it never served my purposes to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    If the statistics are correct in saying that intuitives make up about 25% of the populace... And only 25% of women are thinking types... How many NT women do you think there are out there? Then looking at this forum with the few hundred regular posters... And then this tread with a dozen or two participants... Why is it surprising that only two people say they have NT mothers? makes sense to me.

    And, uh, no... All mothers are not feelers, but there will be a greater number of them versus thinking types.
    Actually, the sgtatistics I heard were more along the line of 40% intuitives, 60% sensors (no gender difference) and 50/50 T/F (but a gender difference - 40% thinker women and 40% feeler men).

    Fort what it's worth. My mother is probably ENTP. She became somewhat more balanced with age (S/N and T/F are almost balanced now) but was much more of a stereotypical ENTP as a girl or a young woman. The soft and nurturing parent is my INFJ Dad.

    As others have probably said, motherhood probably leads you to adopting an ESfJ-ish role (with traditional fathers playing the classic ESTJs). They can't hide their true colors though.
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    Sometimes I think my Dad is the ESFJ of the two (not in a caregiver sense though.. more like all around more funny, popular, people oriented.. Wikipedia has a pic of Terry Bradshaw listed as an ESFJ. I can see similarities between him and my dad). My mom otoh... she's like that Landlady in Kung Fu Hustle. I also made a comparison recently of her being similar to the Star Trek character, B'lanna Torres. Needless to say, neither is an F.

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    My mom is a true ISFJ, and even though it's kind of difficult to type your own family, I thought she was an ISFJ before I had made her take the test (which confirmed it). She's a very loving and nurturing person in general, and even more with her own children (to a degree which I can only admire). I think I wouldn't get along with her as well if she were an ESFJ though. There's definitely some bonding over Ti sometimes.
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