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[SJ] SJ Random Thought Thread

Norrsken

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I'm fighting myself to not focus too much on what the mirror is showing me, though it is difficult.
 

thepink-cloakedninja

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Soooo what are we guarding, exactly? Ooh, do we get weapons? If so, may I have a lightsaber and a laser gun? :D :D :D
 

Agent Washington

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Yknow, I really don't like "Guardian" as a descriptor. It makes me sound responsible or some shit. Hell naw.
 

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Yknow, I really don't like "Guardian" as a descriptor. It makes me sound responsible or some shit. Hell naw.

Certainly, MBTI titles could do with some sprucing up. Especially the SJs and SPs.

I mean, INTJs get to have 'mastermind' as their title - who'd pass that up in exchange for the ISTJ title of 'duty-fulfiller'? There must be some more inspiring alternatives...
 

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How does Ne show for SJ types?.
 

Agent Washington

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Certainly, MBTI titles could do with some sprucing up. Especially the SJs and SPs.

I mean, INTJs get to have 'mastermind' as their title - who'd pass that up in exchange for the ISTJ title of 'duty-fulfiller'? There must be some more inspiring alternatives...

Man. "Duty fulfiller" .. .... .. Just here, fulfilling my duty. What duty? And who is it to say that it's not my duty to do away with the establishment? Duty to whom? So many questions, so little answers.

Mastermind is clearer, though. Mastermind of whatever they devise.
 

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Some titles I came up with/stole from the NFs (in my defence, they have plenty to go around). Are any of them more appealing [MENTION=31909]agentwashington[/MENTION]?

SJ/Guardian -> Harmonizer/Stabilizer/Keystone
SP/Artisan -> Catalyst/Synthesizer
 

Agent Washington

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How does Ne show for SJ types?.

Can't speak for everyone else, but for me, badly.

I mean, sure, I can make all these connections about possibilities, but the thing is, at the heart of it I'm really not an optimist. Especially since Si dom says, "Here's all the examples of shit going badly, in all of humanity's history, not just your personal history."

I just linked somebody else this video today, and it describes my viewpoint about the past (and, therefore, the entire world); it's one cosmic mess since the beginning, and the realistic way is simply to say, "okay, this sucks, let's not speculate too much on unrealistic things because it's going to be just messy. I don't see why we can't just look at what we have, say 'we're in this for the long haul', and try to make it as okay as possible and just not... plant all these narratives of progression or regression onto it." If that sounds unimaginative, then that's fine. But I think ultimately even this idea seems way too radical for most of humanity to accept, and therein lies the paradox; people are always trying to impose some kind of narrative, some kind of symbollic order, some kind of unlimited potentialities on the world. But that's not how I think it works.
 

Agent Washington

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Some titles I came up with/stole from the NFs (in my defence, they have plenty to go around). Are any of them more appealing [MENTION=31909]agentwashington[/MENTION]?

SJ/Guardian -> Harmonizer/Stabilizer/Keystone
SP/Artisan -> Catalyst/Synthesizer

Se-Ni does have this ... momentum to it, and they're ultimately actors in the pure sense of the word. Catalyst sounds perfect. But I'm not sure if it really reflects things like "rationals" or "idealists" do, since theirs describe a state of mind, and there should be some sort of mental equivalent.

I'm not good with names xD
 

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Se-Ni does have this ... momentum to it, and they're ultimately actors in the pure sense of the word. Catalyst sounds perfect. But I'm not sure if it really reflects things like "rationals" or "idealists" do, since theirs describe a state of mind, and there should be some sort of mental equivalent.

I'm not good with names xD

I've always thought of the temperaments as a description of 'roles' - perhaps the NFs and NTs need new titles to match this as well...?

16Personalities calls NTs 'Analysts' and NFs 'Diplomats'. Can't say I'm fond of their SJ 'Sentinel' title though. Sounds a tad bit monolithic.
 

Agent Washington

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I've always thought of the temperaments as a description of 'roles' - perhaps the NFs and NTs need new titles to match this as well...?

16Personalities calls NTs 'Analysts' and NFs 'Diplomats'. Can't say I'm fond of their SJ 'Sentinel' title though. Sounds a tad bit monolithic.

Hmm here's my take on it:

I'm fine with "sentinel" if NFs are going to be "diplomats". Thing is, though. I kinda don't like the idea of roles. Too much performativity. Personality typology shouldn't put people into roles; it should simply describe, not prescribe.

"Temperaments" are basically predisposition - though performativity is implied, the idea of being shoehorned into playing a specific role is also not there. I'm all about that free will xD
 

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Hmm here's my take on it:

I'm fine with "sentinel" if NFs are going to be "diplomats". Thing is, though. I kinda don't like the idea of roles. Too much performativity. Personality typology shouldn't put people into roles; it should simply describe, not prescribe.

"Temperaments" are basically predisposition - though performativity is implied, the idea of being shoehorned into playing a specific role is also not there. I'm all about that free will xD

Oh, of course! Titles and names are powerful things, after all.

In its current state, I suppose the 'guardian' title is more of a 'role' than a description? There has to be something a bit more label-agnostic...but at this moment, I can't think of one.
 

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"Whatever can go wrong, will"
^ this may be more for Ne-inferior. My experience of Ne is more of a "what do I do if I don't have precedent for this?", in new situations. Emergency creativity.
 

Agent Washington

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I shouldn't feel this in my soul, but I do (Source included)

- honestly, I don’t know where the idea comes from that ISTJs can be easily manipulated. Have you ever tried working with one? ISTJs are stubborn bastards. Sweet talk doesn’t help at all. If they don’t like something, you can’t convince them otherwise and nothing moves. Tert-Fi-“I’m always right” combined with Si-dom patience enables them to always have the greatest persistence. They don’t even do anything, they don’t argue, they just sit there like the immovable object that they are, waiting until everyone else is too bored and gives up.
What are the things you don't like about your own... - MBTI / Enneagram blog

Tert Fi x Tert Fi = Immoveable object meets unbreakable force: the presence of one etc etc
...INTJ complains...
I'm never gonna follow.

ESTJ tries to direct...
...I'll follow if you're paying $$
 

thepink-cloakedninja

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I'm good with "the caregiver" for ESFJ as I like to take care of people. xD

How does Ne show for SJ types?.

Well, since no one else has answered your question, I'll rise to the task. However, I fear I'm not a good representation of Ne expression in SJ types are my Ne levels are off the charts ... Oh look, a butterfly!

My Ne makes me very curious. It's not uncommon for me to get butterflies in my stomach while in class, especially when I discover something I've been wondering about, for awhile. I'm also quick to make connections with things I learn, and generate new ideas from them, and then use that in a creative outlet, which is most commonly writing. I think it's used in combination with Si, as I'll collect bits of info and then they'll brew for a bit in my subconscious until something happens which jolts all of the info and makes a new idea.

I also use Ne to understand others. My form of empathy is basically "what would I be feeling if I was in this person's shoes right now? What are some possible motivations for their actions?"

So yeah, I have no idea if that's how other SJ types use Ne or not but ... *shrug*
 

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Are ghosts stupid or something? How can they not know they're dead?
 

Tellenbach

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Smilephantomhive said:
You can't blame them since they don't have a brain.

They have ghostly brains, but maybe these were ghosts who were brain damaged in real life.
 
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