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    I have Lidia Bastianich's recipe for Italian American Lasagna, but there is no way I'm making this. It's got roughly 20 ingredients and 2 pages worth of instructions. None of the steps are particularly difficult, but the sheer amount of work and attention just makes it not worth my time.

    I guess what I'm saying is: you ESJFs are amazing with organization and stick-to-it-iveness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    I have Lidia Bastianich's recipe for Italian American Lasagna, but there is no way I'm making this. It's got roughly 20 ingredients and 2 pages worth of instructions. None of the steps are particularly difficult, but the sheer amount of work and attention just makes it not worth my time.

    I guess what I'm saying is: you ESJFs are amazing with organization and stick-to-it-iveness.
    I feel you. That sort of thing is only worthwhile if you enjoy cooking it. Or if you have lots of people helping you. One way that I fit the ESTJ stereotype is that I have no problem with putting my guests to work so sometimes I cook high-maintenance things like that when I'm going to have people over. That way if anyone shows up early and volunteers to help, I can have them chop things, puree things, etc, and it takes much less time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    One way that I fit the ESTJ stereotype is that I have no problem with putting my guests to work
    I honestly like it when hosts do this (much more so if they are unfamilar to me). It gives everyone something to do and applies structure, AND it's productive! I actually regard it as fun (except cleaning- no one likes cleaning).

    Host that go "just do whatever!" strike me as lazy and I don't know what to do with myself.
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    "Pour in the tomatoes and the tomato paste and stir until the paste is
    dissolved. Season lightly with salt. Bring to a boil, adjust the heat to
    a lively simmer, and cook, uncovered, stirring often, until the sauce
    takes on a deep, brick-red color, 2 to 3 hours. Add the hot water,
    1/2 cup at a time, as necessary to maintain the level of liquid for the
    length of time the sauce cooks." Just a small part of the instructions from Lidia's recipe

    The bold part is where I said to myself, "No freakin way".
    Vi Cit Tecum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I honestly like it when hosts do this (much more so if they are unfamilar to me). It gives everyone something to do and applies structure, AND it's productive! I actually regard it as fun (except cleaning- no one likes cleaning).

    Host that go "just do whatever!" strike me as lazy and I don't know what to do with myself.
    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    I feel you. That sort of thing is only worthwhile if you enjoy cooking it. Or if you have lots of people helping you. One way that I fit the ESTJ stereotype is that I have no problem with putting my guests to work so sometimes I cook high-maintenance things like that when I'm going to have people over. That way if anyone shows up early and volunteers to help, I can have them chop things, puree things, etc, and it takes much less time.
    This is a great idea, and one that I have been warming up to.

    I was raised in a heavy Italian-American tradition in which it is considered highly disgraceful to have a guest even lift a finger. Basically what we'd do is have lots of appetizers ready, and lots of sports games outside and indoor games prepared, good television, and encourage people to mingle. Even though guests could not work, they were given plenty of opportunities to ensure they wouldn't be bored. Hospitality is key. Our houses were even arranged inside in such a way that benefited the possibility of guests.

    But for productive people like me, I tend to like lending a hand anyways, so why not encourage people like us to help out? Lately I've been happy with the idea of cooking parties, where a dish is the main event and people are invited to help out making it and then enjoy the fruits of their labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    "Pour in the tomatoes and the tomato paste and stir until the paste is
    dissolved. Season lightly with salt. Bring to a boil, adjust the heat to
    a lively simmer, and cook, uncovered, stirring often, until the sauce
    takes on a deep, brick-red color, 2 to 3 hours. Add the hot water,
    1/2 cup at a time, as necessary to maintain the level of liquid for the
    length of time the sauce cooks." Just a small part of the instructions from Lidia's recipe

    The bold part is where I said to myself, "No freakin way".
    So I know it may seem like a TON of work but she is an amazing authentic Italian cook. I love her stuff! I made a simple tomato sauce from one of her inspired recipes a few weeks ago and felt like I was back in Italy: Classic Marinara Sauce Recipe - NYT Cooking You should try it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21lux View Post
    Why do people talk like justice and mercy are incompatible? Sometimes justice is mercy. And sometimes mercy is justice.
    How can mercy be justice?
    “Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIjade View Post
    How can mercy be justice?
    Because sometimes it is the right thing to do even if you don't want to show it

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